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Date:	Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:57:56 PDT7
From:	Peter Skye <pskye@peterskye.com >
Reply-To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
To:	scoug-help@scoug.com
Subject:	SCOUG-Help: Re: Message time

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Ray Davison wrote:
>
> Peter Skye wrote:
>
> > I am sending this message at 3:50 a.m. from a machine set
> > to PDT (-0700). See what time your email program displays
> > for it. It *should* say 3:50 a.m. (give or take a minute
> > -- I don't know if the SCOUG list server is sync'd to any
> > NTP servers and there will be a few seconds of lag as this
> > message is sent to everyone on the list).
> >
> > If the message time stamp displayed on your screen says
> > 10:50 a.m. (+0000) instead of 3:50 a.m. (-0700) then your
> > machine (or at least your email program) thinks you are in
> > the GMT time zone.
> >
>
> Clipped from your header: 10/08/03 10:48 am

Hi Ray,

The copy of my message that I received here contains the following:

Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 03:48:36 PDT7
X-OldDate: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 03:50:31 -0700

It looks like your Mozilla is displaying UTC (GMT) time rather than
"local" time.

> So maybe you understand the question. The
> answer - according to you and Steven - is
> complain to Mozilla, Warpzilla, Mike Kaply??????

Yes. On the Mozilla OS/2 web page there should be a link for bug
reports. It used to be called bugzilla and it used to be at
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ but I don't know if that's still accurate.

> I have been mostly trying to determine
> if there is anything I can do on my end.
>
> To present the situation somewhere else I think I would
> have to determine if it is a Mozilla or Warpzilla problem.
> And no, they are not necessarily the same product.

I'm still wondering if Mozilla has a switch somewhere that selects
either local time or UTC (some people like to have their system clocks
set to UTC). The following is from my message last Sunday and might
give you enough information to make the bug report, and if there is such
a switch then somebody will let you know:

If you want to verify the +0000 is coming from your
machine, send a test message with IPTRACE on and look
at the Date: line (it will be in ASCII after you
IPFORMAT the captured data).

Here's another test:

-- 1. From the command line, run SET | FIND /I "TZ" to
verify that TZ is set.

-- 2. From the _same_ command line (so you know TZ is
set) start your Mozilla email client.

-- 3. Send a test message to yourself. When you receive
the message, look at the header and see what the Date:
line looks like.

Stephen's tests on Tuesday may also be helpful. I don't know if he ever
posted a summary of what he found.

I _think_ there are two simultaneous problems here; a bug-or-switch in
Mozilla plus the SCOUG list server using "PDT7" instead of "-0700"
(which isn't a bug but "PDT7" apparently isn't compatible with all email
clients).

- Peter

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