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Date:	Thu, 6 Feb 2003 02:49:47 PST8
From:	"Info [at] SYNass.NET" <Info@SYNass.NET >
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Subject:	SCOUG-Help: horrible experience with new 40GB HDD

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Hi Harry
Hi George and everbody

Yesterday, once again, I tried a completely new effort on this new HDD:

1) The new 40GB WDC400EB got his place (IDE3/Master with a present
slave) as it will be in the future too !
2) The (old) 20GB WDC200AB was moved to IDE2 and still Master but NO
present slave !!
3) Then, perhaps a bit too courageous, I changed / modified the
existing partitons accordingly to fit needs !!
4) Afterwards, emptied the WDC400EB from all previous tries and with
DriveImage copied the old drives =

structure and data over to the new drive with leaving a 19GB free space
at the end of the HDD.

As a difference to my earlier experiences, this time PartitionMagic and
DriveImage were usable =

and worked well and imaging from 20GB to 40GB seems having worked
smooth !?

After this image transaction I removed the (old) 20GB from system and
rebooted ...
=2E.. and within the first lines displayed on screen I see the WDC400EB
recocnized BUT
the partition with the application AGAIN not recognized !!!

Checking the drive with FDisk I noticed that only the first (empty)
partition D: was recognized =

and the others on that drive (E: with all applications, F: with Down-
and UPload directories plus =

G: were not recocnized ;-(

Added this partition D: to the Bootmanager as it was all time before
and rebooted ...
=2E.. well, success that all partition were now visible properly with
FDisk =

BUT still absolutely NO access to the application partition E: ;-(((

I gave up and went back to the old 20GB drive !
Rebooted and started without any problem !!
Then wrote a complaint to WDC and asked for a replacement at my
supplier !!!

Thanks a lot for your assistance and comments !
I was happy to have had your guidance !!
You will hear if I have better news again !!!

Have a nice day, cheers
svobi

PS: =

Hi George, sorry I was unable to reply to your given e-mail address !
My mail sent to you was indeliverable, so I was told, because my =

ISP shall have sent out spam's !?
I do not know how to overcome this blockade !?

hmotin@attglobal.net on 04.02.2003 15.17.30
Please respond to scoug-help@scoug.com
To: scoug-help@scoug.com
cc: =

Subject: SCOUG-Help: horrible experience with new 40GB HDD

Svobi wrote:
> Harry, you are absolutely correct ...
> ... and so I do / did "ONE" major change at a time ;-))
> I am very secure-minded !
> =

> The first and only thing I do and did is the simple replacement of a
> small HDD (20GB/WDC200AB) with a bigger HDD (40GB/WDC400EB)
> both from the same manufaturer !!

OK! After you replaced the 20GB drive with the 40GB your situation was
as follows:

Drive 1 =3D 7.5GB
Drive 2 =3D 40GB
Drive 3 =3D 75GB

Right? Did you fdisk the "new" drive 2 (40GB) such that there was no
change in the partition lettering and partition types. That is, did you
create the same number and same type of partitions on the new Drive 2,
as was on the old? Since the drive is bigger, the partitions will be
bigger, but they should be the same number and same type to not confuse
your system. That is, you have certain applications installed on certain
partitions and certain system and dll files referenced in certain
partitions. You do not want to upset the system in recognizing and using
these files and programs.

After you did that, exactly how did you restore the files and folders
(that were on the previous drive 2) to the new drive 2?

I would say that if you simply replaced drive 2 with a newer drive 2 (as
your first step) and partitioned it the same as the old drive 2 (same
number and type of partitions) and if you properly restored the files
and folders, then you should not have any problems for this first step.

If, however, you boot up and your system wants to go through a CHKDSK
then I would say that either:

1.) You did not recreate the same number and type of partitions on the
new drive

2.) Or, you did not format the partitions the same as on the old drive

3.) Or, your restore of files and folders is faulty

Sorry, but that's all I can offer now. I've got to go to work.

Good luck!
HCM
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"Info [at] SYNass.NET" wrote:
> =

> =

> Hi Harry
> Thanks for your appreciated fast reply ;-)
> It seems that here are / is some misunderstandings !
> =

> Beginning with your suggestion under 3)
> >3. I would suggest that you take things a little slower,
> >one major change at a time. If I were you ...
> =

> Harry, you are absolutely correct ...
> ... and so I do / did "ONE" major change at a time ;-))
> I am very secure-minded !
> =

> The first and only thing I do and did is the simple replacement of a
> small HDD (20GB/WDC200AB) with a bigger HDD (40GB/WDC400EB)
> both from the same manufaturer !!
> =

> This PC has quality removable HDD system only:
> 4 frames with normally 3 trays containing 3 disks and one spare frame.
> So system- or HW-side has absolutely not change !
> =

> All these 3 current HDD's (7.5 / 20 and 75GB) are working properly,
> with
> most accurate drivers from Dani Engert, since more than a half year
> ;-)))
> =

> FDisk of drive 1:
> =

> Disk [1] 2 3 4
> ???????????????????????????????????????????????
> Partition Information
> Name Status Access FS Type
> MBytes
> ???????????????????????????????????????????????
> WS221_DD Bootable : Primary FAT
> 1004
> None : Unusable FreeSpace
> 2831
> Startable : Primary BOOT MANAGER
> 7
> WS221_A Bootable : Primary HPFS
> 1106
> WS221_F Bootable C: Primary HPFS
> 1106
> None : Unusable FreeSpace
> 1106
> =

> FDisk shows drive 2 (20GB) here:
> =

> Disk 1 [2] 3 4
> ???????????????????????????????????????????????
> Partition Information
> Name Status Access FS Type
> MBytes
> ???????????????????????????????????????????????
> None : Primary FreeSpace
> 7
> None D: Logical HPFS
> 996
> None E: Logical HPFS
> 5906
> None F: Logical HPFS
> 3373
> None G: Logical HPFS
> 8809
> =

> FDisk of drive 2 (40GB) only has one more entry after G:Logical with
> an additonal None / free space of ca 19GB !!
> =

> FDisk of the, not touched, 75GB drive shows:
> =

> Disk 1 2 [3] 4
> ???????????????????????????????????????????????
> Partition Information
> Name Status Access FS Type
> MBytes
> ???????????????????????????????????????????????
> None : Pri/Log FreeSpace
> 1004
> None H: Logical HPFS
> 12590
> None I: Logical HPFS
> 10072
> None J: Logical HPFS
> 7554
> None K: Logical HPFS
> 5036
> None L: Logical HPFS
> 15006
> None : Pri/Log FreeSpace
> 22042
> =

> Once again thanks a lot for your comments but I still see no
> mistakes on my or on my system's side ;-((
> =

> Have a nice day ;-)
> svobi
> =

> =

> =

> hmotin@attglobal.net on 04.02.2003 04.26.56
> Please respond to scoug-help@scoug.com
> To: scoug-help@scoug.com
> cc:
> Subject: SCOUG-Help: horrible experience with new 40GB HDD
> =

> Hello Svobi,
> =

> What I get out of your explanation is that you:
> =

> 1.) moved the existing 20GB drive up to replace the 7.5GB drive
> that started to act up;
> =

> 2.) bought a new 40GB drive to replace the 20GB drive
> that you moved up to replace the 7.5GB drive;
> =

> 3.) left the 75GB drive alone;
> =

> 4.) Xcopied data from the original 20GB drive to the new 40GB drive
> (or you used a tape backup).
> =

> It occurs to me that you are doing too many things all at one time.
You
> are probably missing some steps and that's causing your problems. I
have
> several questions:
> =

> 1. Are you sure you have setup the new drives exactly like
your
> original setup:?
> A. Existing 20GB drive now as ON IDE1
master / LBA
> B. New 20GB drive as DE3 master /LBA
> C. 75GB still ON IDE3slave /LBA
> =

> 2. It occurs to me that you have to have some new,
additional
> partitions on the 20GB drive now on IDE1 master / LBA. That must be
so,
> because you are booting to that drive and your boot partition has to
be
> either HPFS or FAT. It cannot be JFS. With OS/2 the maximum partition
> size for the boot partition is 8GB. Therefore, you had to partition
the
> 20GB HDD into a boot partition <=3D 8GB plus something else. And unless
> you left the remaining portion of that drive as unallocated space, you
> created at least one new partition. Therefore, your partition letters
> are now all changed. Did you make the appropriate changes in the
> autocheck parameters in you CONFIG.SYS?
> =

> 3. I would suggest that you take things a little slower,
one major
> change at a time. If I were you I would first set the Hardware Manager
> to "Full Hardware Detection" (I presume you know that you system will
> work in full detection mode; if doesn't, or if you don't know, don't
> change the Hardware Manager. Then, shut down your system and only
> install the OS on the existing, but moved 20GB drive and temporarily
> disconnect the IDE cables from your 40GB and 75GB drives. I would
check
> the CONFIG.SYS file and make a temporary modification to it so that
you
> can boot in that
> configuration. You want to change the autocheck parameters to only
> autocheck the C:\ partition on you new drive (temporarily remove all
the
> other partitions) and you want to set the SWAPPER path to C:\. You
> should also create a (temporary) SWAPPER directory on C:\ (boot to a
> maintenance OS to do it, perhaps using boot floppies).
> =

> 4. Once you get that system to work I would add the new
40GB drive,
> unformated and no partitions, to the mix and check that out. That is,
> reconnect the IDE cable to the 40GB and boot up. Now, with your system
> up you can format and partition the 40GB drive and Xcopy or restore
the
> desired directories and files on it. You can do that without any
> trouble, because, when you booted, your system did not know anything
> about that drive. Next, change the autocheck parameters in the
> CONFIG.SYS to include all the partitions on the 40GB. Reboot and check
> it out. Your system should reboot without any problems (no running of
> chkdsk).
> =

> 5. Next, reconnect the cable on your 75GB drive, update
your CONFIG.SYS
> to include all those partitions and reboot.
> =

> 6. Finally, create a SWAPPER directory where you want it
and correct
> your CONFIG.SYS for that change. Reboot on that new CONFIG.SYS
> =

> Good luck!
> HCM
> ______________________________________________________________________
> =

> "Info [at] SYNass.NET" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello
> > since a while my system runs well with these 3 disks:
> >
> > a 7.5GB as a system (only) disk ON IDE1 master / LBA
> > a 20GB as application and system dedicated files disk ON IDE3
master /
> > LBA
> > a 75GB as data and library tank (intended to be accessable LAN wide)
> ON
> > IDE3slave /LBA
> >
> > The mobo is an *) ABIT KT7-Raid with 4 IDE sockets where socket 1
& 2
> > are normally served. Sockets 3 & 4 enable the connection of another
4
> > disks.
> > In the BIOS ATA100RAID is enabled but RAID NOT activated NOR set !
> >
> > *) newer ABIT KT7A-Raid mobo is already here to replace the elder
mobo
> > after my new experiment system will be finished after my vacations
in
> > Spring !!
> > With this mobo replacement I am also replacing from AMD Athlon TB
> > 1.3GHz
> > to an XP 1800+ CPU !
> >
> > Well, as already mentioned, with these 3 current HDD's the system
> > worked
> > without any problems since last spring / summer ;-))
> >
> > Unfortunately I noticed some upcoming noise with the 7.5GB disk and
I
> > thought of replacing it with the faster, already existing 20GB disk
> > after I
> > had replaced the 20GB drive with a new 40GB drive ...
> > ... and ordered an new WDC400 Protege !
> >
> > The new drive arrived very fast and prompt and I started
partitioning
> > and
> > formatting: exact the same values as the, already, existing drives.
> > Xcopied
> > all the data with "HOTSERV" parms ...
> > ... replaced the disk and rebooted the system and OOOPPPSSS ....
> > ... and got a horrible fast rolling CHKDSK screen with endless
> recovery
> > and
> > removable displayed ;-((
> >
> > Now, after 4 days of intensive experiments, in however and whatever
> > conditions or constellations I did not get this drive working
> properly.
> >
> > Todays last experiment, with once again completely new partitioned /
> > formatted
> > and then restored from a tape backup exact the same happened ;-(((
> > Well, there is no more displaying endless recovery and removing
> > messages
> > but NOTHING is working: Lotus Notes is appearing a moment and then
> > diappears again ;-(((
> >
> > I never faced SOO MUCH troubles with a HDD, however old or new, like
> > this !!!
> > It is a WDC400EB-00CPF0 5400RPM built on November 2002.
> >
> > The jumper is set to Master !
> >
>
http://www.westerndigital.com/products/current/drives.asp?Model=3DWD400EB
> >
> > System facts: Warp V4 FP16 with DDP2
> > DaniS506 V 1.61 with also Dani's newest DaniDASD !
> >
> > What else do I need to change or check to get this 40GB drive
running
> > ???
> > Any helpful suggestion would cheer up a very frustrated fellow ;-|
> > Thanks in advance for your rescuing suggestions ;-)
> > svobi
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