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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:28:49 -0800


eCS graphic LVM worked on eCS 1.0 with base SciTech Display Doctor and
Java with a ATI Radeon 32 MB video card/Athlon 1.2 GHz.

At some point, graphic LVM stopped working with the same Java and SDD. 
Clicking on the graphic LVM icon,  I hear for 1 - 2 seconds of the hard
drive trying to activate the program for than nothing.  I only see the
graphic LVM have that minimized icon look for 1 - 2 seconds and than the
graphic LVM icon returns to normal.  The graphics LVM program never
launches. 

Text LVM has always worked. 

I just tried the new Java 1.3 and then the SDD 7.06 with the same problem.

Suggestions please.  I really prefer the graphic LVM.

Thanks.

Larry
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From: steve53@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:22:23 -0800
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In <3bde4b12$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 10/29/2001 
   at 10:28 PM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
  >I just tried the new Java 1.3 and then the SDD 7.06 with the same
>problem.

Change back to Java 1.1.8 as your default Java or build a .cmd file to
invoke LVMGui with Java 1.1.8.  You may need to do the same for the Java
based TCP/IP configuration.  Neither work well with Java 1.1.3.

Steven

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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:54:45 -0800
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Steven,

I changed back to Java 1.18 as default:

java -fullversion    ======>
JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20001004 (JIT enabled:
javax V3. 5-IBMJDK1.1-20001004)"

Java runs OK.  Still same problem.

Interestingly, if I change the Path and file name of Graphic LVM from:
C:\JAVA11\BIN\JAVAPM.EXE     to     C:\JAVA11\BIN\JAVA.EXE and leave
everything else the same including Java 1.1., Graphic LVM runs in one
window while in another window there is an apparent OS/2 Window with the
titlebar of "Logical Volume Manager"; this latter window shows only black
without any prompts.  The former window shows an incorrect representation
of my system: briefly three disks.  In this system with the problem I only
have two disks - IDE.  When I close this incorrect graphic LVM, I close
both windows.

Thanks for the help.

Regards.

Larry

In <3be041ae$2$fgrir53$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 10/31/2001 
   at 10:22 AM, steve53@ said:

>In <3bde4b12$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 10/29/2001 
>   at 10:28 PM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>>I just tried the new Java 1.3 and then the SDD 7.06 with the same
>>problem.

>Change back to Java 1.1.8 as your default Java or build a .cmd file to
>invoke LVMGui with Java 1.1.8.  You may need to do the same for the Java
>based TCP/IP configuration.  Neither work well with Java 1.1.3.

>Steven

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From: steve53@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:44:52 -0800
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In <3be05706$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 10/31/2001 
   at 11:54 AM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>java -fullversion    ======>
>JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20001004 (JIT enabled:
>javax V3. 5-IBMJDK1.1-20001004)"

That's pretty old.  You should at least install the Java fixes on CD#3.

The latest (not on the CD) is:

JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20010830 (JIT enabled:
javax V3. 5-IBMJDK1.1-20010830)"

>window while in another window there is an apparent OS/2 Window with the
>titlebar of "Logical Volume Manager"; this latter window shows only black
>without any prompts.  The former window shows an incorrect representation
>of my system: briefly three disks.  In this system with the problem I
>only have two disks - IDE.  When I close this incorrect graphic LVM, I
>close both windows.

There's still something wrong with your Java 1.1.8 setup and I'm not sure
what it could be.  Other's have no problems running these apps on the base
eCS install.  Perhaps installing the Java updates will help cure it.

Take a close look at CLASSPATH and LIBPATH.

Steven

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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:10:48 -0500
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Steven,

In <3be1990b$2$fgrir53$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/01/2001 
   at 10:44 AM, steve53@ said:

>In <3be05706$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 10/31/2001 
>   at 11:54 AM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>>java -fullversion    ======>
>>JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20001004 (JIT enabled:
>>javax V3. 5-IBMJDK1.1-20001004)"

>That's pretty old.  You should at least install the Java fixes on CD#3.

>The latest (not on the CD) is:

>JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20010830 (JIT enabled:
>javax V3. 5-IBMJDK1.1-20010830)"

OK.  CD #3 Java update fails.  the 20010830 Java update fails.

>>window while in another window there is an apparent OS/2 Window with the
>>titlebar of "Logical Volume Manager"; this latter window shows only black
>>without any prompts.  The former window shows an incorrect representation
>>of my system: briefly three disks.  In this system with the problem I
>>only have two disks - IDE.  When I close this incorrect graphic LVM, I
>>close both windows.

>There's still something wrong with your Java 1.1.8 setup and I'm not sure
>what it could be.  Other's have no problems running these apps on the
>base eCS install.  Perhaps installing the Java updates will help cure it.

>Take a close look at CLASSPATH and LIBPATH.

Ever since I installed eCS on this new system, vague non-reproducible
problems.  Example - RSJ CD-Writer 3.60 (registered) sometimes works
sometimes not - no rhyme nor reason.  When programs ran though no apparent
errors.

General errors worsening after my last post including hangs for no
specific reasoning.  I elected to do a fresh install.  Used SDD. 
Installation problems, specifically after completing the second part: I
thought the networking part was the problem - interestingly, the video
seemed to change after installing the network portion.

Too make a very long story short, I found a reference in the newsgroups
(which of course I can not find now), where someone had apparent
networking installation problems - the bottom line eCS install apparently
deleted or mangled the video drivers at the end of the second phase.

I reinstalled and I at the end of the second phase prior to booting,
reinstalled SDD - I used SDD 7.06 which I had downloaded previously. 
Install completed.

Now the interesting part of this, is that when I installed eCS the very
first times, I can not remember the video changing during the second phase
of installation; I always used SDD during the install.  Can't file a bug
report because I can not find any consistency to this.  Now I did have
problems that first times (yes pleural) that I installed eCS - but I
thought that was just installing a new OS (always to a new
volume/partition).

The kicker to the whole story, Graphic LVM runs well - I only have two
disks which is correct; but I lost one of my volumes/partitions! 
Fortunately, I just had my temporary files.

So the nutshell - I installed eCS improperly the first time and from there
the story gets murky..........

The good news is that I did not lose data and the computer is running very
well.

Thanks again.

Regards.

Larry

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From: "Wayne" <wayne@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 08:52:54 +0900 (JST)
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On Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:10:48 -0500, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
wrote:

:>General errors worsening after my last post including hangs for no
:>specific reasoning.  I elected to do a fresh install.  Used SDD. 
:>Installation problems, specifically after completing the second part: I
:>thought the networking part was the problem - interestingly, the video
:>seemed to change after installing the network portion.
:>
:>Too make a very long story short, I found a reference in the newsgroups
:>(which of course I can not find now), where someone had apparent
:>networking installation problems - the bottom line eCS install apparently
:>deleted or mangled the video drivers at the end of the second phase.

I've installed eCS about three times, twice on my desktop machine,
once from disk one and a second time from disk two. Both times I
used classic VGA. No problems on both counts. Confident that I 
could get it installed I put it down on my main machine, again using
VGA and again with no problems. Only after installation did I install
video drivers (Matrox and IBM/SDDse) This seems to be the
safest method. I'd like to add that my desktop now runs Warp 4 
FP15, in case you think I'm violating my eCS licence :-)

Cheers

Wayne

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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 18:20:54 -0500
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VGA.

I should have asked you last month. :)  Thanks.

Regards.

Larry

In <jnlargxxnggarwc.gma3w62.pminews@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/04/2001 
   at 08:52 AM, "Wayne" <wayne@> said:

snip

>I've installed eCS about three times, twice on my desktop machine, once
>from disk one and a second time from disk two. Both times I used classic
>VGA. No problems on both counts. Confident that I  could get it installed
>I put it down on my main machine, again using VGA and again with no
>problems. Only after installation did I install video drivers (Matrox and
>IBM/SDDse) This seems to be the
>safest method. I'd like to add that my desktop now runs Warp 4  FP15, in
>case you think I'm violating my eCS licence :-)

>Cheers

>Wayne


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From: steve53@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:45:25 -0800
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In <3be43b1e$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/03/2001 
   at 12:10 PM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>phase of installation; I always used SDD during the install.  Can't file
>a bug report because I can not find any consistency to this.  Now I did
>have problems that first times (yes pleural) that I installed eCS - but I
>thought that was just installing a new OS (always to a new

Glad to see you found your problem.  Goes to show that everything matters
when you are having problems, even if you don't neccessarily think it's
related.  For the future, keep in mind that given that we are dealing with
a GUI system, the least little problem in the video setup will cause all
sorts of mysterious problems.

Like others, when I'm hand installing, I tend to install in VGA mode. 
This is an old habit that seems to avoid lots of problems.

>The kicker to the whole story, Graphic LVM runs well - I only have two
>disks which is correct; but I lost one of my volumes/partitions! 
>Fortunately, I just had my temporary files.

You may not have lost anything.  Switch to physical view.  Is the
partition still there?  If so, switch back to logical view a create a
volume telling LVMGui to use the existing partition.

>So the nutshell - I installed eCS improperly the first time and from
>there the story gets murky..........

I'm not so sure you did anything wrong.  Some folks have installed
straight to SDD without problems others haven't.  It's not obvious what
fails.

Steven


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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:18:32 -0800
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In <3be58078$1$fgrir53$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/04/2001 
   at 09:45 AM, steve53@ said:

>In <3be43b1e$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/03/2001 
>   at 12:10 PM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>>phase of installation; I always used SDD during the install.  Can't file
>>a bug report because I can not find any consistency to this.  Now I did
>>have problems that first times (yes pleural) that I installed eCS - but I
>>thought that was just installing a new OS (always to a new

>Glad to see you found your problem.  Goes to show that everything matters
>when you are having problems, even if you don't neccessarily think it's
>related.  For the future, keep in mind that given that we are dealing
>with a GUI system, the least little problem in the video setup will cause
>all sorts of mysterious problems.

>Like others, when I'm hand installing, I tend to install in VGA mode. 
>This is an old habit that seems to avoid lots of problems.

VGA.  VGA.  VGA.  I get it.  :)

>>The kicker to the whole story, Graphic LVM runs well - I only have two
>>disks which is correct; but I lost one of my volumes/partitions! 
>>Fortunately, I just had my temporary files.

>You may not have lost anything.  Switch to physical view.  Is the
>partition still there?  If so, switch back to logical view a create a
>volume telling LVMGui to use the existing partition.

With Graphic LVM, either physical or logical view shows lost of E:\
volume/partition.

>>So the nutshell - I installed eCS improperly the first time and from
>>there the story gets murky..........

>I'm not so sure you did anything wrong.  Some folks have installed
>straight to SDD without problems others haven't.  It's not obvious what
>fails.

>Steven

So the system works, just have to finish installing some more
applications.....

Regards.

Larry

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From: steve53@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:21:49 -0800
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In <3be757d3$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/05/2001 
   at 07:18 PM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>With Graphic LVM, either physical or logical view shows lost of E:\
>volume/partition.

If physical view says it's not there, it's probably time to haul out dfsee
and find out if it can be recovered.

Steven


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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:49:42 -0800
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Steven,

In <3be8469b$2$fgrir53$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/06/2001 
   at 12:21 PM, steve53@ said:

>In <3be757d3$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/05/2001 
>   at 07:18 PM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>>With Graphic LVM, either physical or logical view shows lost of E:\
>>volume/partition.

>If physical view says it's not there, it's probably time to haul out
>dfsee and find out if it can be recovered.

Downloaded and running dfsee 4.08.

"dfs" then "vol" shows (for brevity)
            ==>snip
            DFSee OS2 version : 4.08 30-10-2001, executing cmd: vol                        

            Current OS drive C:    2624.2 Mb of   3004.3 Mb on FS: HPFS                    

            Current OS drive D:    1316.6 Mb of   1984.1 Mb on FS: JFS                     

            ==>snip                                                                   


"dfs" then "part" shows:
           drive C, drive D, a couple of Primary volumes, and couple of
Free Space; 

My lost E:\ drive was about 3 GB.  The Primary volumes and Free Space
areas do not come close to this size.
            
My first time trying dfsee.

Regards.

Larry
 
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From: "Jan van Wijk" <Jan.van.Wijk@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
X-Newsreader: PMINews 2.00.1200 For OS/2

On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:49:42 -0800, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ wrote:

>
>Downloaded and running dfsee 4.08.
>
>"dfs" then "vol" shows (for brevity)
>            ==>snip
>            DFSee OS2 version : 4.08 30-10-2001, executing cmd: vol                        
>
>            Current OS drive C:    2624.2 Mb of   3004.3 Mb on FS: HPFS                    
>
>            Current OS drive D:    1316.6 Mb of   1984.1 Mb on FS: JFS                     
>
>            ==>snip                                                                   
>
>
>"dfs" then "part" shows:
>           drive C, drive D, a couple of Primary volumes, and couple of
>Free Space; 
>
>My lost E:\ drive was about 3 GB.  The Primary volumes and Free Space
>areas do not come close to this size.
>          

Don't confuse the DFSee 'vol' command, showing all drive-letters known
by the operating system that is currently running, with the LVM concept
of volumes!

DFSee 'vol' will only show the recognized ones (and CDROM and LAN and ...)

LVM volumes have a 1 to 1 (or a 1 to many) relation with disk partitions, so
every LVM volume is made up of one or more disk partitions.
Each volume in LVM that has a drive-letter configured will show up in the 'vol'
command of DFSee, and will be usable if there is a valid filesystem on it.
(meaning the volume must be formatted)

If you need to find a "missing" partition (or LVM volume) use the DFSUNFD.CMD
script that comes with DFSee. It will scan the whole disk for bootsectors and
partition tables. The resulting logfile (DFSUNFD1.LOG for disk 1) can be used
for analysis and possibly to define some DFSee CREATE commands that
could recover the lost drive.

If you need assistance in that (you probably do :-), send the logfile to:

	dfsee@

Regards, Jan van Wijk

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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 14:27:26 -0800
X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.29g/29 

Jan, 

>Don't confuse the DFSee 'vol' command, showing all drive-letters known by
>the operating system that is currently running, with the LVM concept of
>volumes!

>DFSee 'vol' will only show the recognized ones (and CDROM and LAN and
>...)

>LVM volumes have a 1 to 1 (or a 1 to many) relation with disk partitions,
>so every LVM volume is made up of one or more disk partitions.
>Each volume in LVM that has a drive-letter configured will show up in the
>'vol' command of DFSee, and will be usable if there is a valid filesystem
>on it. (meaning the volume must be formatted)

I understand that a single volume can contain one to many partitions but I
still have trouble conceptualizing/implementing this on text-LVM.  I think
with graphic-LVM, I will hopefully be better at manipulating
volumes/partitions.

>If you need to find a "missing" partition (or LVM volume) use the
>DFSUNFD.CMD script that comes with DFSee. It will scan the whole disk for
>bootsectors and partition tables. The resulting logfile (DFSUNFD1.LOG for
>disk 1) can be used for analysis and possibly to define some DFSee CREATE
>commands that could recover the lost drive.

>If you need assistance in that (you probably do :-), send the logfile to:
>	dfsee@
The lost data on E:\ drive of the system discussed is not that important
to me.  What is more important is on a Pentium Pro 200 system that I first
tried eComStation (eCS) on.  The PP200 has two SCSI drives which had
Windows NT 4.0 SP6 on the boot drive.  When I installed eCS 1.0 with text
LVM, I unfortunately *lost* a partition with some data which I would like
to recover if at all possible.  I have sent you the two log files
generated by DFSUNFD.CMD by separate post.

Thanks!

Regards.

Larry
 
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From: steve53@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:26:39 -0800

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In <3bec5b01$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/09/2001 
   at 02:27 PM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>I understand that a single volume can contain one to many partitions but
>I still have trouble conceptualizing/implementing this on text-LVM.  I
>think with graphic-LVM, I will hopefully be better at manipulating
>volumes/partitions.

With he text mode LVM.  Position the cursor to the volume, in the upper
pane.  The partition assigned to the volume will appear in the lower pane. 
Of course, it you are using compatibility volumes, you will never see more
than one partition in the lower pane.

Steven

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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:54:06 -0800
X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.29g/29 

In <3bed8dde$1$fgrir53$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/10/2001 
   at 12:26 PM, steve53@ said:

>In <3bec5b01$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/09/2001 
>   at 02:27 PM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>>I understand that a single volume can contain one to many partitions but
>>I still have trouble conceptualizing/implementing this on text-LVM.  I
>>think with graphic-LVM, I will hopefully be better at manipulating
>>volumes/partitions.

>With he text mode LVM.  Position the cursor to the volume, in the upper
>pane.  The partition assigned to the volume will appear in the lower
>pane.  Of course, it you are using compatibility volumes, you will never
>see more than one partition in the lower pane.


OK.  This I can do.

Compatibility volume - only one partition; makes sense  ==> either
bootable volume or non-bootable volume.  Bootable volumes are always
compatibility volumes.  Non-bootable volumes are either (1) LVM volumes
which allow JFS or (2) when the partition/volume is above the BIOS's limit
for bootable volumes.  I have been reading Mr. Know-It-All of SCOUG
(October 2001 issue).  My paraphrasing.  :)

Questions so far:

(1) Is the BIOS limit described above for IDE or SCSI drives? (2) Can a
bootable partition be placed on a second (or third) IDE drive? (3) What is
VCU?
(4) In my prior installs of eComStation, I installed to C:\ compatibility
bootable volume.  When I added LVM volumes, these volumes were always
created at the end of free space on disk 1.  Why can't I create the volume
at the beginning of free space or in the middle of free space? (5) If I
have a LVM volume, how do I create multiple partitions within the LVM
volume?   (6) LVM volumes are expandable?  Does this mean that I can
expand the partition within said LVM volume or that I can just add another
partition within expanded LVM volume?  Thanks.

Regards.

Larry

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From: steve53@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:16:36 -0800
X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.29g/29 

In <3bf01e95$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/12/2001 
   at 10:54 AM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>limit for bootable volumes.  I have been reading Mr. Know-It-All of SCOUG
>(October 2001 issue).  My paraphrasing.  :)

Hey, I know that guy. :-)

>(1) Is the BIOS limit described above for IDE or SCSI drives? (2) Can a

Yes.  It is also MB specific.  Newer BIOS's do not have any limit on where
a bootable partition can be placed.

>bootable partition be placed on a second (or third) IDE drive? (3) What

The second, yes.  The third is, again, BIOS dependent.

>is VCU?

VCU is Volume Configuration Utility.  It's job is to write a default set
of LVM to a drive.  The default set is supposed to mark all bootable
drives as compatibility volumes and to assign them driver letters.  It's
just a default.  It VCU does not understand your partition layout, you can
always run LVM and set up the volumes as you wish.

Also, VCU is optional.  LVM is usually perfectly capable of writing LVM
data to a drive that has never had LVM data written to it.  This may fail
if the something else has already written to the LVM data sectors, but
that's not usually a problem.

>(4) In my prior installs of eComStation, I installed to C:\ compatibility
>bootable volume.  When I added LVM volumes, these volumes were always
>created at the end of free space on disk 1.  Why can't I create the

That's the default for the menu options you selected.

>volume at the beginning of free space or in the middle of free space? (5)

You can.  Switch to phyical view an create the partition there.  You have
more placement options.

>If I have a LVM volume, how do I create multiple partitions within the

If you have created an LVM volume, the menu option will be available.

>LVM volume?   (6) LVM volumes are expandable?  Does this mean that I can
>expand the partition within said LVM volume or that I can just add
>another partition within expanded LVM volume?  Thanks.

Yes and no.  If the LVM volume is JFS formatted, the answer is you can do
this on the fly.  If the LVM volume is HPFS formatted, the answer is yes
but you have to reformat the volume after expending it.

Note, it is safe to play with LVM as long as you discard your changes on
exit.  Nothing is written to the drive(s) until you exit and save.

Steven

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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:49:15 -0800
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In <3bf03ee9$9$fgrir53$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/12/2001 
   at 01:16 PM, steve53@ said:

Steven,

Appreciate the info.

snip

>>If I have a LVM volume, how do I create multiple partitions within the

>If you have created an LVM volume, the menu option will be available.

>>LVM volume?   (6) LVM volumes are expandable?  Does this mean that I can
>>expand the partition within said LVM volume or that I can just add
>>another partition within expanded LVM volume?  Thanks.

>Yes and no.  If the LVM volume is JFS formatted, the answer is you can do
>this on the fly.  If the LVM volume is HPFS formatted, the answer is yes
>but you have to reformat the volume after expending it.

>Note, it is safe to play with LVM as long as you discard your changes on
>exit.  Nothing is written to the drive(s) until you exit and save.

I am having some problems implementing this; here is what I have done:

Text-LVM - Logical view
Only top 1/2 line highlighted, then [Enter]
Create a new volume
Create a volume that does not need to be bootable
Create an LVM volume
E:
Enter a name for the volume ==> "test_volume"
Choose a disk for the volume... [Enter]
2 [D2]       ====> choosing disk #2 [Enter]
Allocate from free space
[free space 1] 16818 [Enter]
Enter a name for the partition
test_partition [Enter]
Enter a size for the partition

Now whether I take the entire 16818 MB or say set at 4000 MB, I get a test
partition of 16818 MB or 4000 MB, respectively; I then hit F6 and switch
to physical view.  The 16818 MB or 4000 MB partition, respectively,  is
always one volume, ie "test_volume" 

(7) So what am I missing in creating one volume with two partitions
within?

Question:

(8)  If an LVM volume spans two disks with one partition on disk 1 and a
second partition on disk 2.  What happens if disk 2 dies?  Is the
partition on disk 1 intact and what happens to the LVM volume in question?

(9) Off-topic: I am at eComStation 1.0 with TCPIP 27649 fix applied; no
changes to kernel nor JFS.  When I boot, eCS 1.00 is now at 1.01 and
Internal Revision 14.062 is now 14.072.

The problem: if I go to a command prompt (window or full screen) ver/r
gives: Internal Revision 14.062.  If I start a command prompt (window or
full screen) from EF Commander 2.31.2, ver/r gives Internal Revision
14.072.  In all cases, The Operating System/2 Version is 4.50.

Are the Internal Revision discrepancies significant or an insignificant
buglet?

Thanks.

Regards.

Larry

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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:09:32 -0800
X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.29d/29 

>(9) Off-topic: I am at eComStation 1.0 with TCPIP 27649 fix applied; no
>changes to kernel nor JFS.  When I boot, eCS 1.00 is now at 1.01 and
>Internal Revision 14.062 is now 14.072.

>The problem: if I go to a command prompt (window or full screen) ver/r
>gives: Internal Revision 14.062.  If I start a command prompt (window or
>full screen) from EF Commander 2.31.2, ver/r gives Internal Revision
>14.072.  In all cases, The Operating System/2 Version is 4.50.

>Are the Internal Revision discrepancies significant or an insignificant
>buglet?

Whoops - forgot to mention, I applied Fixpack1 ie xr_c001.zip in getting
the Internal Revision discrepancies

Larry.
 
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From: steve53@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:10:31 -0800
X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.29g/29 

In <3bf44f6e$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/15/2001 
   at 09:49 AM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>I am having some problems implementing this; here is what I have done:

>Text-LVM - Logical view
>Only top 1/2 line highlighted, then [Enter]
>Create a new volume
>Create a volume that does not need to be bootable
>Create an LVM volume
>E:
>Enter a name for the volume ==> "test_volume"
>Choose a disk for the volume... [Enter]
>2 [D2]       ====> choosing disk #2 [Enter]
>Allocate from free space
>[free space 1] 16818 [Enter]
>Enter a name for the partition
>test_partition [Enter]
>Enter a size for the partition

>Now whether I take the entire 16818 MB or say set at 4000 MB, I get a
>test partition of 16818 MB or 4000 MB, respectively; I then hit F6 and
>switch to physical view.  The 16818 MB or 4000 MB partition,
>respectively,  is always one volume, ie "test_volume" 

As it should be.  You only created a volume containing one partition.  You
would need to go through the menu options again to add another partition
to this volume.  Note that the volume you created is not an LVM volume so
you could format it JFS or whatever, but you can not boot from it.

>(7) So what am I missing in creating one volume with two partitions
>within?

Position to the new volume and press enter.

>(8)  If an LVM volume spans two disks with one partition on disk 1 and a
>second partition on disk 2.  What happens if disk 2 dies?  Is the
>partition on disk 1 intact and what happens to the LVM volume in
>question?

You haul out the backups.  LVM is not a form of RAID.

>The problem: if I go to a command prompt (window or full screen) ver/r
>gives: Internal Revision 14.062.  If I start a command prompt (window or
>full screen) from EF Commander 2.31.2, ver/r gives Internal Revision
>14.072.  In all cases, The Operating System/2 Version is 4.50.

This is a probably a FP oversight.  At one time the only way to know the
FP level was ver/r.  That's why cmd.exe got updated every FP.  The string
is embedded in the .exe.  It would appear that someone forgot to keep
everything in sync.

Steven

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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:54:04 -0800
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Steven,

>As it should be.  You only created a volume containing one partition. 
>You would need to go through the menu options again to add another
>partition to this volume.  Note that the volume you created is not an LVM
>volume so you could format it JFS or whatever, but you can not boot from
>it.

"Click".  Some basic understanding - I think.

If I create a volume, I get one partition.  If I create a volume, I never
get two or more partitions.  Once I have created a volume, I can *add*
partitions thus making a volume have two or more partitions.

I can create partitions that are not seen by LVM - ie hidden; if I am
using LVM and I want the created partitions to be active, I have to make
them active again.

Question:
(10) How do I make a hidden partition active again?  A practice
partition/volume is hidden and I want to activate it.   

>This is a probably a FP oversight.  At one time the only way to know the
>FP level was ver/r.  That's why cmd.exe got updated every FP.  The string
>is embedded in the .exe.  It would appear that someone forgot to keep
>everything in sync.

Then how does one know the accurate fixpack level?

Regards.

Larry

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From: steve53@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:51:42 -0800
X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.29g/29 

In <3bf7eb6e$1$yneel.gnjn$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/18/2001 
   at 08:54 AM, larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@ said:

>>partition to this volume.  Note that the volume you created is not an LVM

Excuse my typo.  This should read:

  Note that the volume you created is now an LVM

>"Click".  Some basic understanding - I think.

>If I create a volume, I get one partition.  If I create a volume, I never

I prefer to think of it as attaching partitions to the volume.

>get two or more partitions.  Once I have created a volume, I can *add*
>partitions thus making a volume have two or more partitions.

Yes, when you can add depends of how the volume is formatted.  You can
always add before you format.  JFS is the only format that allows you to
add after the volume is formatted.

>I can create partitions that are not seen by LVM - ie hidden; if I am
>using LVM and I want the created partitions to be active, I have to make
>them active again.

Minor point.  You can't hide partition with LVM in the sense that we hide
partitions with FDISK.  What you can do is delete the drive letter
assignment.  This will hide the volume from eCS/MCP.

>(10) How do I make a hidden partition active again?  A practice
>partition/volume is hidden and I want to activate it.   

To make the volume visible, just use the menu to change the drive letter
from nothing to something.

>Then how does one know the accurate fixpack level?

SYSLEVEL.FPK is accurate until you do something like install a kernel
update. :-)

Steven

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From: larry.REMOVEMESPAMtawa@
Newsgroups: ecomstation.support.lvm
Subject: Re: Graphic LVM - problem
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:15:57 -0800
X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.29k/29 

In <3bfb0a7b$5$fgrir53$mr2ice@news.ecomstation.nl>, on 11/20/2001 
   at 05:51 PM, steve53@ said:

>>get two or more partitions.  Once I have created a volume, I can *add*
>>partitions thus making a volume have two or more partitions.

>Yes, when you can add depends of how the volume is formatted.  You can
>always add before you format.  JFS is the only format that allows you to
>add after the volume is formatted.

FP 1 increased the stability of eCS but still some minor problems.  I
upgraded JFS and kernel using eCSUpdate by Chuck McKinnis (very nice!). 
The stability much improved at least for me.

>>Then how does one know the accurate fixpack level?

>SYSLEVEL.FPK is accurate until you do something like install a kernel
>update. :-)

(11) So how does one know an accurate fixpack level, once one updates the
kernel?

(12) If one has formated partitions with an older copy of JFS yet runs a
more recent copy of JFS, are there any inherent problems to this
situation?

I now understand the basics of LVM manipulation but definitely need more
experience.  I failed my first test; In a nutshell, I tried to install
Windows 98 to my system and somehow lost my eCS boot partition.  I
reinstalled eCS............

Since my system has two IDE drives in removable trays, I think I would
like to clone my boot eCS partition, copy my data partitions from drive 1
to drive 2.  Then I can*practice* installing various Windows xx to help me
understand my mistakes.

Question:
(13) With the appropriate partitions on drive 2 already made, what is the
best way to XCOPY, COPY, clone my boot partition from drive 1 to 2?

(14) To make a backup copy of my boot drive, can I zip the contents of the
boot drive and use this file at a later time if necessary?

Thanks.

Regards.

Larry
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