07-28-99 19:06:06 *** Log Activated #scoug (D:\APPS\GTIRC30\#scoug.log)
07-28-99 19:06:09 <lmaxson> Hey, Dave.
07-28-99 19:06:10 <Sector> There he is
07-28-99 19:06:15 <DaveWgt> hello, all!
07-28-99 19:06:27 <SteveS> Yes, we are going overboard. My problems start when we find out that we have more people coming than the amount of facilities we have reserved.
07-28-99 19:06:34 <DaveWgt> ...um, i use the tere "all" loosely
07-28-99 19:06:56 * Sector thinks the facilities need to be expanded
07-28-99 19:06:59 <lmaxson> On the fingers of one hand.
07-28-99 19:07:21 <lmaxson> Guilty of overbooking?
07-28-99 19:07:23 <SteveS> Would Sector like to donate another $1K for more facilities????
07-28-99 19:07:44 <lmaxson> You mean we don't get it for free?
07-28-99 19:07:52 <DaveWgt> OVERbooked?
07-28-99 19:08:00 <Sector> Sure, I'll send you 1K...
07-28-99 19:08:05 <lmaxson> WEW
07-28-99 19:08:14 <SteveS> When you through a no cost to attend to everyone, you never know how many people will show up.
07-28-99 19:08:35 <lmaxson> Probably why others charge.
07-28-99 19:08:40 <SteveS> Have you signed up to come (and present)?
07-28-99 19:08:50 <lmaxson> Both.
07-28-99 19:09:01 <lmaxson> Even volunteered.
07-28-99 19:09:28 <SteveS> Sector, That $1K did have a dollar sign in front of it, to be paid in US dollars!!
07-28-99 19:09:43 <lmaxson> So much for pesos.
07-28-99 19:09:51 <lmaxson> Or lira.
07-28-99 19:10:22 <DaveWgt> I expect it will be a big success
07-28-99 19:10:25 <Sector> I'll donate 1K of memory
07-28-99 19:10:35 <lmaxson> Yours or mine?
07-28-99 19:11:07 <lmaxson> Dave, did you get a message from Bob Chapman?
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07-28-99 19:11:24 <DaveWgt> haven't checked mail today.  Checking now...
07-28-99 19:11:53 <lmaxson> We are having trouble with our tcpip configuration with our dsl connection.
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07-28-99 19:13:31 <lmaxson> It ought to make sense to someone.
07-28-99 19:13:54 *** kerry (trixer@noc.suntrix.com) has joined #scoug [19:13:54]
07-28-99 19:14:00 <kerry> scuse me
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07-28-99 19:14:06 <lmaxson> It "almost" works.
07-28-99 19:14:14 <lmaxson> Must be bad breath.
07-28-99 19:14:42 <lmaxson> These guys must be looking for someplace private to meet.
07-28-99 19:15:28 <lmaxson> 8 seconds must be close to the record.
07-28-99 19:15:47 <lmaxson> If he comes back, let's offer him a prize.
07-28-99 19:15:49 <Sector> Ummm, kerry (aka trixer) is one of the two principles involved with Suntrix.com (where this IRC network comes from)
07-28-99 19:16:07 *** rollin (rwhite@cc228605-a.slbch1.occa.home.com) has joined #scoug [19:16:07]
07-28-99 19:16:17 <Sector> Umm, NickFun joined and left #wallops earlier in 3 seconds
07-28-99 19:16:47 <lmaxson> I don't want to discuss my lovelife.
07-28-99 19:17:17 <DaveWgt> maybe kerry had us bookmarked.
07-28-99 19:17:28 * Sector que's DaveWgt
07-28-99 19:17:32 <lmaxson> At least not overbooked.
07-28-99 19:18:07 <Sector> Nah, kerry seems to be wandering around, he was in #voice for 5 seconds as well
07-28-99 19:18:35 <lmaxson> Nust be wanting to see if anyone from AOL is present.
07-28-99 19:18:41 <SteveS> Good news for Rollin, Argyros Forum rm 206B has 7 electrical outlets, 2 lan ports and two double doors. How about that!
07-28-99 19:18:59 <Sector> Easier ways to do that, no need to join a channel to find that out
07-28-99 19:19:06 <lmaxson> What will we do with the extra doors?
07-28-99 19:19:14 <rollin> Steve, great.  Do you have dimensions?
07-28-99 19:19:24 * Sector wants four quadruple doors
07-28-99 19:19:31 <lmaxson> Does he!
07-28-99 19:19:32 <SteveS> Rollin, I have the dimensions.
07-28-99 19:20:05 <lmaxson> Is that the room in which we are going to hold the network benchmarks?
07-28-99 19:20:15 <DaveWgt> is this an additional room or a replacement?
07-28-99 19:21:17 <rollin> IT's a change.  It will be the exhibit room.
07-28-99 19:21:37 <SteveS> Rollin, I have been invited to lunch tomorrow. Will give you the plot plan then. But we have to figure out a way to decide on the lunch location in less than a half hour without it being BK.
07-28-99 19:21:42 <lmaxson> Does that mean we are now underbooked?
07-28-99 19:22:10 <rollin> Overbooked!
07-28-99 19:22:24 <lmaxson> You sure sound happy about it.
07-28-99 19:22:39 <rollin> It makes all of the hard work much more rewarding.
07-28-99 19:22:47 <SteveS> Lynn, the exhibit room is where the server maddness will be.
07-28-99 19:23:03 <lmaxson> Just how made do we have in mind?
07-28-99 19:23:17 <SteveS> But I better be carefull, I am not in charge of that planning effort. Better let the chairman speak.
07-28-99 19:23:18 <lmaxson> made -> mad
07-28-99 19:23:53 <rollin> We'll see.  Actually the part of Server MAdness we're having the most trouble with is to make it compelling for non network nuts.....
07-28-99 19:24:10 <rollin> We might enjoy seeing 32 different server functions on OS/2, but the average user could care less.
07-28-99 19:24:28 <lmaxson> I would agree with the average user.
07-28-99 19:24:51 <DaveWgt> we've been discussing benchmarks lately, if we can set up some form of competition, that would be interesting to most people
07-28-99 19:24:52 <rollin> But it could/should be interesting to them.  We just need to make it sizzle a little.
07-28-99 19:25:09 <lmaxson> Whose or which benchmarks are we using?
07-28-99 19:25:39 <DaveWgt> Ziff Davis published a flyoff between NT and Linux servers recently, they have an OS2 version of the test.  We could run that
07-28-99 19:25:53 <SteveS> On another subject to Rollin. The Sundial web server responsiveness was the pits around 2pm this afternoon.
07-28-99 19:25:56 <DaveWgt> that would make it a head-to-head race
07-28-99 19:26:12 <DaveWgt> scoug has been slow for several days
07-28-99 19:26:30 <rollin> I know.  Unfortunately I wasn't around to analyize the situation.
07-28-99 19:26:35 <SteveS> Pings were taking anyware from 1700 to 4500+ ms to respond.
07-28-99 19:26:58 <DaveWgt> I'll bet IBM already ran the ZD benchmarks.  I wonder if they indicate we're comparable?
07-28-99 19:26:59 <SteveS> Normally they should be under 100ms.
07-28-99 19:27:16 <lmaxson> Dave, why the interest in head-to-head?
07-28-99 19:27:33 <DaveWgt> I can wait for pings.  http calls are more important, though
07-28-99 19:27:50 <DaveWgt> head-to-head = competition = excitement = "sizzle"
07-28-99 19:28:20 <DaveWgt> doing a benchmark that only compares you to yourself isn't very interesting -- to anyone
07-28-99 19:28:21 <SteveS> I should have said that the pings to the Sundial web server should be under 400ms end to end.
07-28-99 19:29:10 <SteveS> Ahh, I just figured out my Network SIG topic for August.
07-28-99 19:29:13 <lmaxson> Well, we differ on that point.  Again maybe I'm not anyone.
07-28-99 19:30:28 <DaveWgt> steves - "ping"?
07-28-99 19:31:10 <DaveWgt> "August topic - Ping timing"  That'll pack them in...
07-28-99 19:31:21 <SteveS> What does Dave mean "ping?"
07-28-99 19:31:52 <DaveWgt> you were talking about ping, then you said you know what your aug topic it.  
07-28-99 19:32:17 <DaveWgt> just trying to break your "code"
07-28-99 19:32:32 <SteveS> The topic will be "Getting ready for WEW" or something like that.
07-28-99 19:33:12 <Sector> How about "Getting ready for ping?"
07-28-99 19:33:15 <DaveWgt> ah.  I've been trying to get some discussion on that topic here for a month.  approximately zero participation
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07-28-99 19:33:28 <lmaxson> How about pinging WEW?
07-28-99 19:33:53 <Sector> Ah, another visitor
07-28-99 19:34:15 <StevenL> Yep.
07-28-99 19:34:15 <lmaxson> So far all local.
07-28-99 19:34:41 <DaveWgt> we'll have irc running all day.  we can offer a prize for the visitor with the longest ping
07-28-99 19:34:53 <DaveWgt> (more contests)
07-28-99 19:35:15 <lmaxson> Try the shortest.
07-28-99 19:35:16 <Sector> Just route your ping around the world a few times...
07-28-99 19:35:40 <Sector> I can see it now, "my ping is longer then your ping"
07-28-99 19:35:42 <DaveWgt> we want to encourage international participation
07-28-99 19:36:18 <DaveWgt> Peter, our marketing guy, can make a big thing of that
07-28-99 19:36:20 <lmaxson> An international ping contest.
07-28-99 19:37:10 <DaveWgt> sector can we run scripts on irc channels, and ping visitors when the conect and log their id and ping rate?
07-28-99 19:37:40 <DaveWgt> edit the logon script to display the longest ping so far
07-28-99 19:37:46 <lmaxson> You ping-a me, I ping-a you, and everyone goes crazy.
07-28-99 19:38:20 <DaveWgt> ping is probably approximately proportional to distance from server?
07-28-99 19:38:25 <DaveWgt> maybe not
07-28-99 19:38:28 <Sector> You could make a REXX script that would interface with GTIRC and ping everyone who logs into the channel, of course you could then have REXX same the information to a file
07-28-99 19:38:45 <DaveWgt> from my client?
07-28-99 19:38:52 <Sector> Yup
07-28-99 19:39:12 <Sector> There are some sample 
07-28-99 19:39:23 <DaveWgt> this is interesting.  I need to learn to do that
07-28-99 19:39:28 <Sector> REXX scripts that come with GTIRC, one is an autogreet that could be changed to an auto ping
07-28-99 19:39:32 <DaveWgt> I want to lash rsynth into gtirc
07-28-99 19:39:36 *** CTCP PING (StevenL) (#scoug)
07-28-99 19:40:09 <lmaxson> Now you've done it.
07-28-99 19:40:22 * Sector wonders what he did
07-28-99 19:41:23 <lmaxson> Who pinged StevenL?
07-28-99 19:41:40 <DaveWgt> i never noticed the scripts in the directory.  reading them now.
07-28-99 19:41:52 * Sector was returning the favor
07-28-99 19:41:58 <lmaxson> The man does a lot of online reading.
07-28-99 19:45:39 <DaveWgt> yes, the rexxmessage looks like the ticket.
07-28-99 19:45:54 <lmaxson> Welcome back, Dave.
07-28-99 19:46:09 <DaveWgt> sample function included.  need to adapt that to rsynth
07-28-99 19:46:27 <DaveWgt> I'll have it whipped by next Wednesday, will post the script on the web page!
07-28-99 19:47:01 <lmaxson> Do we have any other business?
07-28-99 19:47:25 <DaveWgt> no, I regret I don't have an agenda tonight
07-28-99 19:47:55 <lmaxson> Well, do you have a tcpip expert in the house?
07-28-99 19:48:05 <DaveWgt> lmaxson you.ll be up Saturday morning?
07-28-99 19:48:15 <lmaxson> Yes,'
07-28-99 19:48:17 * Sector wonders what the "Agenda for July 28th, 7-8PM PDT:" is doing on the webpage then...
07-28-99 19:48:39 <DaveWgt> best laid plans...
07-28-99 19:48:42 <lmaxson> Which webpage.
07-28-99 19:48:43 * StevenL Sector is really picky :)
07-28-99 19:48:48 <DaveWgt> THE web page
07-28-99 19:48:55 * Sector pick pick pick
07-28-99 19:48:56 <DaveWgt> www.scoug.com/chat
07-28-99 19:48:57 * Sector picks on StevenL
07-28-99 19:49:36 <DaveWgt> oh, no, we were talking about the meeting page.  I think that's www.scoug.com/internet/meeting.html
07-28-99 19:49:38 <Sector> http://www.scoug.com/internet/meeting.html
07-28-99 19:50:14 <DaveWgt> everything interesting is linked from the chat page, though
07-28-99 19:50:35 <DaveWgt> including lmaxson's warpicity overview.  We gonna add more on that?
07-28-99 19:50:42 * Sector wonders where the uninteresting stuff is linked from
07-28-99 19:50:58 <DaveWgt> efnet?
07-28-99 19:51:56 <DaveWgt> I've been connecting to calif2 lately, since I paid for gtirc and don't have to enter the address every time anymore
07-28-99 19:52:04 <DaveWgt> interesting login message
07-28-99 19:52:21 <DaveWgt> "we're not effnet
07-28-99 19:52:57 <lmaxson> What more on Warpicity would you want?
07-28-99 19:53:00 <Sector> That would be the MOTD (Message Of The Day) file not that it's actually changed since the day it was put up...
07-28-99 19:53:28 <DaveWgt> ... maybe it's grown?  It's REEEALLL long
07-28-99 19:53:57 <lmaxson> I have another article appearing in the August VOICE newsletter in preparation for the Aug.28th session.
07-28-99 19:54:15 <DaveWgt> I want to start turning up the marketing heat, build us up for Expo
07-28-99 19:54:16 <Sector> Yeah, it is kinda long...
07-28-99 19:54:43 <DaveWgt> gtirc seems kind of slow rendering the text
07-28-99 19:54:45 <lmaxson> The marketing heat on Warpicity?
07-28-99 19:55:03 <DaveWgt> ALL the irc activities
07-28-99 19:55:23 <DaveWgt> I'm gonna get some trinkets, start a raffle
07-28-99 19:55:44 <lmaxson> How many of us will be able to tie in to IRC while at WEW?
07-28-99 19:55:47 <DaveWgt> maybe start actually preparing some content
07-28-99 19:55:59 <Sector> Dave has been talking aobut raffle's for months now...
07-28-99 19:56:09 <DaveWgt> we haven't stress tested the net afaik
07-28-99 19:56:10 <lmaxson> Is raffles his dog?
07-28-99 19:56:31 <DaveWgt> i'm guessing webbnet can handle hundreds?
07-28-99 19:56:44 <Sector> hundreds, no problem
07-28-99 19:57:04 <SteveS> Partly depends on how may systems we have connected to the internet at WEW.
07-28-99 19:57:05 <lmaxson> Then what does the numbers at the start when you log on mean?
07-28-99 19:57:06 <Sector> Just don't put them all on the same server...
07-28-99 19:57:20 <DaveWgt> have any of you seen the frequent recent "press releases" weve been sending for Expo?
07-28-99 19:57:31 <SteveS> Sector, how many users can one server handle?
07-28-99 19:57:40 <lmaxson> How can you miss them.
07-28-99 19:58:05 <DaveWgt> We pitched the saturday speakup pretty good, seemed to me.  Prime time.  Only 27 max
07-28-99 19:58:27 <DaveWgt> oohhh - we can get a celebrity
07-28-99 19:58:37 <lmaxson> It's getting towards 8.  Need to leave.
07-28-99 19:58:47 <Sector> Depends on the servers connection, the calif2 server for example only has a 33.6k link (possibly that could change soon) but with the low bandwidth of IRC it can still handle a fair amount
07-28-99 19:58:49 <DaveWgt> thanks for coming.  See you sat
07-28-99 19:59:05 <lmaxson> See you Sat.
07-28-99 19:59:11 <Sector> Bye
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07-28-99 19:59:12 <DaveWgt> what does one connect take, a few BPS?
07-28-99 19:59:25 <Sector> Heck if I know
07-28-99 19:59:57 <DaveWgt> we're a real narrow band process, so i suspect the choke is in the server, not I/O
07-28-99 20:00:33 <DaveWgt> theres a topic.  "IRC Stress Test - see if we can break sector's server"
07-28-99 20:01:26 <DaveWgt> do you see a detectable cpu load when we get another connect?
07-28-99 20:01:43 * Sector wonders if DaveWgt knows what a K-line is...
07-28-99 20:01:48 <DaveWgt> or when we submit text?
07-28-99 20:01:55 <Sector> Couldn't tell, that CPU is running at 100% all the time
07-28-99 20:02:15 <DaveWgt> we should all try typing 3 or 4 lines, count to 3 and send simultaneously, see if it registers on the meter
07-28-99 20:03:59 <DaveWgt> no, what's kline
07-28-99 20:04:11 <DaveWgt> I have a friend named jerry kline
07-28-99 20:05:18 <Sector> It can be added to the ircd.conf file to restrict access (ie: a k-line could be put in so nobody in the *.lax-ca.concentric.net could get on the server)
07-28-99 20:05:36 * Sector had a teacher named Susan Kline (a number of years back)
07-28-99 20:06:00 <DaveWgt> ah.  I've never run an irc server.  have one, have to try it sometime
07-28-99 20:06:25 <DaveWgt> ... and I have several isp's!
07-28-99 20:06:39 <Sector> the ircd.conf file can handle multiple k-lines...
07-28-99 20:07:05 <DaveWgt> what's the "k"
07-28-99 20:07:17 <Sector> k=kill
07-28-99 20:07:30 <DaveWgt> ah.
07-28-99 20:08:13 <SteveS> Dave, one of the topic subjects you have listed on the web page is Time Zone Utilities. Please provide a description of what Time Zone Utilities are and what they do.
07-28-99 20:08:33 <DaveWgt> I'm using two - both freeware
07-28-99 20:09:25 <DaveWgt> IBM's pmworld puts up a world map, and you can select locations and display a little clock for each
07-28-99 20:09:42 <DaveWgt> you have an ini file to program size, colors, add locations, etc
07-28-99 20:10:13 <DaveWgt> handy when we try to figure times in remote locales
07-28-99 20:10:44 <DaveWgt> another nice one but a little rough around the edges is World Clock.  
07-28-99 20:10:51 <SteveS> Is that the Mike Cowlishaw REXX world globe program?
07-28-99 20:11:07 <DaveWgt> It is a single window with text entries with cities and times
07-28-99 20:11:28 <DaveWgt> I've heard of the globe program, dl'd it, haven't run it yet
07-28-99 20:11:43 <DaveWgt> i understand it shows you where the sun is
07-28-99 20:11:56 <DaveWgt> what I need is a program that says where the tides are
07-28-99 20:12:07 <DaveWgt> I've only found a tide calcularot for Mac
07-28-99 20:12:41 <DaveWgt> world clock has a lot of promise, currently at ver .96.
07-28-99 20:13:00 <DaveWgt> author told me last week we'll have an update "real soon"
07-28-99 20:13:25 <DaveWgt> pmworld is on hobbes
07-28-99 20:15:20 <DaveWgt> world clock is at http://members.tripod.com/~Goran_Ivankovic/
07-28-99 20:15:44 <SteveS> ROLLIN, Sundial web server is having lousy response right NOW!!!
07-28-99 20:16:19 <DaveWgt> world clock is still at the june version.  Worth a look unless you need to add a city.
07-28-99 20:16:56 <SteveS> Rollin, and it is all coming from the server, not the routing.
07-28-99 20:17:00 <DaveWgt> currently 13:16 29th in Sydney
07-28-99 20:19:29 <DaveWgt> yes, pmglobe is colishaw's program
07-28-99 20:19:32 <SteveS> For Rollin incase he is busy doing other things, the NOW time was 20:15.
07-28-99 20:20:02 <Sector> But where, was that Sydney time?
07-28-99 20:20:28 <rollin> Got it Steve, thanks.
07-28-99 20:20:42 <SteveS> You awoke!
07-28-99 20:21:03 <Sector> He heard the bellowing
07-28-99 20:24:32 * Sector clears out the sleeping gas
07-28-99 20:26:16 <rollin> I walked away from the computer.  I'm analyizing the logs right now.
07-28-99 20:26:51 * Sector handcuffs rollin to the computer
07-28-99 20:26:54 <SteveS> Melanie just came home. brb.
07-28-99 20:26:57 <Sector> Now whats everyone elses excuse?
07-28-99 20:27:11 <DaveWgt> i'm working
07-28-99 20:30:22 <SteveS> I am back.
07-28-99 20:30:36 <Sector> Is Melanie with you?
07-28-99 20:32:17 <SteveS> She has just come into the computer room and is standing in back of me at the moment.
07-28-99 20:32:47 <Sector> Keeping an eye on you
07-28-99 20:32:53 <SteveS> Yep.
07-28-99 20:36:42 * Sector tries to shake everyone awake
07-28-99 20:37:40 <SteveS> I think we ran out of steam. Type to everyone later.
07-28-99 20:38:09 * Sector pumps steam into the channel
07-28-99 20:39:24 <SteveS> Bye
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07-28-99 20:40:05 *** Signoff: rollin (Leaving) [20:40:05]
07-28-99 20:40:17 <Sector> Is the ship sinking?
07-28-99 20:42:54 <DaveWgt> wow.  small crew.
07-28-99 20:43:05 <DaveWgt> maybe we should call it quits for tonight
07-28-99 20:43:09 <Sector> So it would seem
07-28-99 20:43:23 <DaveWgt> thanks for coming.  see ya!
07-28-99 20:43:34 *** Log Terminated.