08-23-100 19:02:45 *** Log Activated #scoug (D:\INTERNET\GTIRC\Log\#scoug.log)
08-23-100 19:02:48 <StevenL> Hello all.
08-23-100 19:09:08 <SteveS> Hi.
08-23-100 19:09:41 <SteveS> Dallas stepped away for a bit. His message came just before you logged in.
08-23-100 19:10:27 <StevenL> Did he have a question, or is he just hanging out?
08-23-100 19:11:17 <SteveS> Dallas has not posted a question yet.
08-23-100 19:12:58 <dallas> I'm just hanging out.
08-23-100 19:16:12 <StevenL> So are we all...
08-23-100 19:16:25 <StevenL> Maybe Gary G will show up and we can work on his thinkpad...
08-23-100 19:16:54 <StevenL> I posted the directions to get VAJava installed to scoug-help, for whoever was looking for it.
08-23-100 19:17:52 <SteveS> I saw that VAJava posting, but did not understand what you were responding to.
08-23-100 19:19:06 <SteveS> Is this the personal version of VAJava that you are referring to?
08-23-100 19:20:46 <SteveS> And is there any magical reason that you chose the directory path name to store the downloaded file in?
08-23-100 19:23:27 <StevenL> Yes, it is.
08-23-100 19:23:38 <StevenL> No, no special reason...
08-23-100 19:23:51 <SteveS> Thank you for clarifying.
08-23-100 19:23:58 <StevenL> However, some of that is built in.
08-23-100 19:24:49 <SteveS> Next question to both of you, why have you both chosen to use the main Webbnet server in FL instead of using the Calif server, irc.ca.webbnet.org?
08-23-100 19:25:32 <StevenL> Me, because it happens to be first in my list...
08-23-100 19:25:51 <StevenL> Probably because the CA was causing problems at one time...
08-23-100 19:25:53 <StevenL> Let me check.
08-23-100 19:25:55 <StevenL> brb.
08-23-100 19:26:13 <SteveS> If we stay on the same server, it decreases the possible problems.
08-23-100 19:26:29 <StevenL> Only for us. :-)
08-23-100 19:26:39 <SteveS> Yep....
08-23-100 19:26:52 <StevenL> I've had more than one split caused by CA going down.
08-23-100 19:27:08 <SteveS> For Dallas, at the Help Desk Monday night, Tony Butka brought in his BOOK computer. 
08-23-100 19:27:27 <StevenL> FL seems to stay up unless it's hurracane season, which is coming soon.
08-23-100 19:28:40 <SteveS> It was not powering up, but that problem was solved. I am not sure anyone know why it is now working, but they disconnected every cable/power connection and put it back together. Then it worked!
08-23-100 19:29:39 <SteveS> StevenL, but since we are a small group, it makes more sense to all be on the CA server. Then splits will not be a problem as we are all in one place.
08-23-100 19:30:11 <StevenL> OK, if we get a split, I will move. How's that?
08-23-100 19:30:45 <StevenL> Don't forget, we did the one thing Tony had not yet done.
08-23-100 19:30:48 <dallas> Tony had a BC?  what happened?
08-23-100 19:31:25 <StevenL> Yes.  We fixed it.  It works.
08-23-100 19:31:30 <SteveS> OK. But then again, sometimes you do not know a split has occurred until the lack of messages starts making you wonder if everyone has taken a pit break all at the same time.
08-23-100 19:31:34 <dallas> what was your reactions?
08-23-100 19:31:52 <dallas> was it difficult/cramped to work on?
08-23-100 19:31:58 <SteveS> What did you do that Tony did not do?
08-23-100 19:32:08 <StevenL> If you think something's wrong, just troubleshoot it.
08-23-100 19:32:09 <dallas> where did he get it?
08-23-100 19:32:22 <StevenL> I swapped in another CPU...
08-23-100 19:32:34 <StevenL> This worked, so we swapping the old CPU back in...
08-23-100 19:32:38 <StevenL> It worked too.
08-23-100 19:32:47 <StevenL> Must have been a bad connection.
08-23-100 19:33:21 <StevenL> There's not much roon in the box for the fan...
08-23-100 19:34:03 <StevenL> I wouldn't be surprised if something was pushing on the fan with the box closed up and that moved the CPU enough to be a problem.
08-23-100 19:34:18 <StevenL> It was either that or dirty contacts.
08-23-100 19:35:17 <dallas> I kind of expect the things to be cramped.
08-23-100 19:36:04 <SteveS> Compact computer chassies are cramped.
08-23-100 19:36:17 <StevenL> Cramped is an understatement...
08-23-100 19:36:36 <StevenL> I expect the vibration to break the IDC cables quickly...
08-23-100 19:36:58 <SteveS> What was vibrating?
08-23-100 19:37:00 <StevenL> They are shoved up against the edges and corners and have little strain relief.
08-23-100 19:37:04 <StevenL> The fan.
08-23-100 19:37:16 <StevenL> The fans, more correctly.
08-23-100 19:37:17 <SteveS> Fans should not vibrate!!
08-23-100 19:37:29 <SteveS> Where there two fans?
08-23-100 19:37:30 <StevenL> Sure they do.  Just not that much.
08-23-100 19:37:40 <StevenL> Maybe not...
08-23-100 19:37:46 <StevenL> Now I'm not so sure.
08-23-100 19:38:49 <SteveS> I would think that the hard drive might have a harmonic vibration.
08-23-100 19:39:00 <StevenL> Yep, that too.
08-23-100 19:39:10 <StevenL> Everything vibrates...
08-23-100 19:39:23 <StevenL> Unless, it's a absolute zero, that is.
08-23-100 19:41:02 <SteveS> Solved two of my problems this afternoon.
08-23-100 19:41:12 <StevenL> Which ones?
08-23-100 19:42:50 <SteveS> I have a primary machine with Warp 4 that has an additional partition with a minimal partition with Warp Server on it for alternate boot/maintenance purposes.
08-23-100 19:43:13 <StevenL> WS or WSeB?
08-23-100 19:44:25 <SteveS> The networking connection was failing on the Warp Server. I had earlier (months ago) removed the token ring card and inserted an ethernet card, but never updated the Warp Server MPTS config.
08-23-100 19:44:34 <SteveS> Warp Server, not WSeB.
08-23-100 19:45:41 <SteveS> I needed the WS partition to bring up networking because my Warp 4 partition networking was locking up the system on startup. So I was using the WS partition to bring up requester to be able to transfer files to the servers.
08-23-100 19:46:43 <SteveS> When I configured in the 3Com 509B card, I was getting a failure to load the device driver. After a short while I decided to boot DOS from diskette and run the 3Com diagnostics.
08-23-100 19:48:06 <SteveS> Diagnostics said there was a failure of the 3C509B card to load registers. No wonder why the device driver was failing to load, displaying a message that it could not find the adapter.
08-23-100 19:48:50 <SteveS> Replaced the 3Com ISA adapter with an Intel Pro/100+ Management PCI adapter.
08-23-100 19:50:13 <SteveS> Used the IBMFE device driver (IBM OEM'd this card from Intel) to configure MPTS. Next boot everything was working on the Warp Server partition.
08-23-100 19:51:27 <StevenL> That was easy.
08-23-100 19:51:48 <StevenL> Port/irq conflict or dead card?
08-23-100 19:52:19 <SteveS> Went back to Warp 4 to also update MPTS to reflect the current network card. Thought I would give networking startup a try. For quite some time, as soon as I would start peer, the system would freeze up. This time, requester started and everything is now fine!!!
08-23-100 19:55:16 <StevenL> Duh?
08-23-100 19:55:21 <SteveS> The 3Com 509B card was not dead, just a failure to load its registers. Some parts of the diag tests work, but a couple failed. No port/irq conflict that I know of. port=300 (default), irq=11. Now with the PCI adapter, I do not have to worry so much about that. It is sitting shared on irq 10 with the scsi and video adapter controllers.
08-23-100 19:56:17 <StevenL> What memory address was the 3com using?
08-23-100 19:56:25 <StevenL> This can be a problem for some ISA cards.
08-23-100 19:56:49 <SteveS> No memory address. port=300, this is a port I/O card.
08-23-100 19:56:50 <StevenL> Also, I stay away from 300.  To many cards use it.
08-23-100 19:57:17 <StevenL> Are you sure?  Most ISA NIC's use a memory window.
08-23-100 19:57:42 <SteveS> I have always thought that port 300 was mostly used for network cards.
08-23-100 19:58:04 <StevenL> And DAC and ADC and some game cards. etc. etc.
08-23-100 19:58:29 <SteveS> You work with some adapters that I do not deal with...
08-23-100 19:58:39 <StevenL> Yep...
08-23-100 19:58:59 <StevenL> At one time 300 was defined as the proto card address.
08-23-100 19:59:08 <SteveS> No memory is used in network cards if the RPL PROM is NOT used, I believe.
08-23-100 20:00:08 <StevenL> Perhaps, but my old Intel EE16 had one defined and I don't recall it being just for RIPL...
08-23-100 20:00:36 <StevenL> As I recall, you could not turn it off...
08-23-100 20:01:02 <StevenL> I suspect is was used as to buffer packets...
08-23-100 20:01:11 <dallas> (off-subject: when's BOD meeting?)
08-23-100 20:02:02 <SteveS> I think it is only for the PROM, which most network cards do not have installed. I have only found them built in on my Madge token ring adapters and on some of the IBM ethernet adapters.
08-23-100 20:02:32 *** ziggy (iwaki@1Cust183.tnt19.lax3.da.uu.net) has joined #scoug [20:02:32]
08-23-100 20:02:34 <SteveS> BOD meeting on thursday, Aug 31st.
08-23-100 20:03:20 <SteveS> Hi ziggy.
08-23-100 20:03:26 <StevenL> Hi Ziggy.
08-23-100 20:04:18 <ziggy> Hi, everyone!
08-23-100 20:04:32 <ziggy> What's going on?
08-23-100 20:05:13 <dallas> hello ziggy
08-23-100 20:05:27 <dallas> thanks SteveS.
08-23-100 20:05:32 <ziggy> Hi, Dallas!
08-23-100 20:07:47 <SteveS> brb, need to go make my salad for dinner.
08-23-100 20:09:07 <StevenL> Ziggy, it's been quiet.
08-23-100 20:10:58 <ziggy> Yeah.
08-23-100 20:19:03 <SteveS> i'm back with salad in hand.
08-23-100 20:20:10 <ziggy> What kind of salad dressing do you use?
08-23-100 20:20:40 <SteveS> The same one that came with the salad at the SCOUG picnic.
08-23-100 20:21:50 <StevenL> Leftovers are good. ;-)
08-23-100 20:22:27 <SteveS> This was it for the salad. Throwing the rest of it out now.
08-23-100 20:22:54 <ziggy> I like thousand island myself.  By the way that was good food at the picnic.  I especially liked the beandip and chocolate cake.
08-23-100 20:34:51 <SteveS> Anything else to talk about tonight?
08-23-100 20:35:05 <StevenL> Don't think so.  Almost dinner time for me.
08-23-100 20:36:07 <ziggy> Well, it's one of those slow nights.
08-23-100 20:37:40 <ziggy> Think I'll call it a night.
08-23-100 20:37:50 <ziggy> So long.
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08-23-100 20:42:03 <dallas> Am I the only one to notice the watcom getting opensourced?
08-23-100 20:42:52 <StevenL> No.
08-23-100 20:43:06 <StevenL> Is actually old news...
08-23-100 20:43:34 <StevenL> It was announced that it would happen a couple of months ago on one the developer lists...
08-23-100 20:43:43 <StevenL> It's taken til now to formalize it...
08-23-100 20:44:01 <StevenL> Now, it will take a while to package it up for distribution...
08-23-100 20:44:05 <StevenL> This is a good thing.
08-23-100 20:45:27 <dallas> so I would think.   
08-23-100 20:45:30 <SteveS> Who has VX-Rexx now?
08-23-100 20:45:58 <dallas> at one time there was another port of gcc to OS/2.  why was it abandoned?
08-23-100 20:50:36 <StevenL> Still owned by Watcom...
08-23-100 20:51:02 <StevenL> However, someone will ask about opensourcing it now, I'm sure....
08-23-100 20:51:13 <StevenL> Do you mean pgcc or egcs?
08-23-100 20:51:55 <dallas> not sure about the distictions, some years back is all I can say now, distinct from emx.
08-23-100 20:52:20 <dallas> it was just gcc as I feebly recall
08-23-100 20:55:03 <StevenL> I'd have to check, but I thin egcs is available or OS/2.
08-23-100 20:55:09 <StevenL> thin -> think
08-23-100 20:55:25 <SteveS> or -> for
08-23-100 20:55:34 <StevenL> Thx.
08-23-100 20:56:11 <StevenL> Well, it's dinner time, so I'm outta here.
08-23-100 20:56:22 <dallas> cu
08-23-100 20:56:26 <SteveS> Bye, Bye from me as well.
08-23-100 20:56:40 <StevenL> Nite all.