08-09-99 18:58:23 *** Log Activated #scoug (D:\APPS\GTIRC30\#scoug.log)
08-09-99 18:58:23 <WarpHoss> I've never done it. I do not know off the top of my head. 
08-09-99 18:58:43 <DaveW> Hello all!
08-09-99 18:58:44 <Sector> Welcome DaveW
08-09-99 18:58:48 <dallas> Howdy daveW
08-09-99 18:58:49 <DaveW> Dallas, you back home?
08-09-99 18:58:55 <dallas> no........
08-09-99 18:59:10 <DaveW> oh well, glad you found a connect!
08-09-99 18:59:40 <Ironhead> Hi dave check it out 'm not goig to log off
08-09-99 18:59:41 <dallas> PC tech put together a machine from swag parts for my use
08-09-99 19:00:03 *** Ironhead Tom p216.amax5.dialup.sfo1.flash.net (Momoism forever!)
08-09-99 19:00:03 *** Channels: #SCOUG #VOICE 
08-09-99 19:00:04 *** irc.in2.webbnet.org [ns1.dynasty.net] Evansville, Indiana WEBBnet Cli
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08-09-99 19:00:05 #SCOUG       Ironhead  G     Tom@p216.amax5.dialup.sfo1.flash.net (Momoism forever!)
08-09-99 19:00:22 <dallas> I had Debian cds with me, and have spent some time after work getting it running
08-09-99 19:00:45 *** Ironhead=-Tom@p216.amax5.dialup.sfo1.flash.net
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08-09-99 19:00:55 *** VERSION (Ironhead): OpenChat/2 1.07 :GemZ/2 v3.12 (%3.28#1)
08-09-99 19:01:38 <WarpHoss>   http://www.rbdc.com/~abelmcc5/wupass.jpg  \\ that pic might come in handy sometime. ;-)  
08-09-99 19:02:03 <DaveW> Ironhead, great.  I just figured out we can probe other participants' chat app with the version cmd
08-09-99 19:02:26 * Sector wonders what took Dave so long to figure that one out
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08-09-99 19:02:54 <Ironhead> Well I tryed to look that up?
08-09-99 19:03:09 <Ironhead> Got to go eat
08-09-99 19:03:28 <lmaxson> Where's Butka?
08-09-99 19:03:58 *** CTCP VERSION (Blackbird)
08-09-99 19:04:07 *** CTCP PING (Blackbird)
08-09-99 19:04:21 <dallas> sounds like things have picked up since the last time I was here....
08-09-99 19:04:42 <lmaxson> Gonna call him Mr. In and Out.
08-09-99 19:05:11 <lmaxson> Are people away?
08-09-99 19:05:24 <Blackbird> Ok...I've got a question..
08-09-99 19:05:33 <lmaxson> Fire away.
08-09-99 19:06:12 * Sector has an answer (Maybe, Possibly, Perhaps, Could Be) take your pick
08-09-99 19:06:53 <Blackbird> system is set up....fixpak is installed to ...no matter....if I now install something else from the instillation cd....do you need to reinstall the fixpak 
08-09-99 19:07:15 <Sector> What else would you be installing?
08-09-99 19:07:29 <Blackbird> that's not the question....
08-09-99 19:07:52 <Blackbird> maybe I want voice type now...
08-09-99 19:08:22 <Sector> Unless the fixpack has changed something your installing no.  If your installing drivers off the CD that the fixpack has changed, you may overwrite something with older versions.  
08-09-99 19:08:35 <lmaxson> You only need to reinstall the fixpak if your change affected one of the updated modules.
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08-09-99 19:09:59 <Blackbird> I guessed that ...but how do you know what moduals are changed
08-09-99 19:10:20 <lmaxson> Look just reapply the fixpak.  It is not a blind operation.
08-09-99 19:10:34 <lmaxson> It only installs unmatched modules.
08-09-99 19:10:56 <lmaxson> It will not reinstall an existing updated module.
08-09-99 19:11:00 <Blackbird> See this is what I wanted to know...
08-09-99 19:11:16 <lmaxson> Thus the install time should be significantly less.
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08-09-99 19:11:54 <Blackbird> So the best answer is to apply the fixpak again just in case there is something that needs updated...
08-09-99 19:11:56 <Sector> Install time isn't that much anyway, it only took me 5 minutes to install Fixpack 11 from the harddrive
08-09-99 19:12:10 <Sector> Reinstalling the fixpack shouldn't hurt anything
08-09-99 19:12:14 <lmaxson> blackbird, yes.
08-09-99 19:12:21 <Blackbird> thanks 
08-09-99 19:12:49 <lmaxson> Next question?
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08-09-99 19:13:20 * Sector starts making plans to expand the room
08-09-99 19:13:21 <Blackbird> why the hell did both my tape backups screw me...
08-09-99 19:13:33 <lmaxson> Ohoh, we have a heavy hitter onboard.
08-09-99 19:13:39 <psycho> Blackbird - were you able to get a working restoration?
08-09-99 19:13:44 <Blackbird> no
08-09-99 19:13:49 <DaveW> gotta reboot -- brb
08-09-99 19:13:54 <DaveW> --------------
08-09-99 19:13:54 <Blackbird> had to do a scratch install
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08-09-99 19:21:07 *** Log Activated #scoug (D:\APPS\GTIRC30\#scoug.log)
08-09-99 19:21:09 <psycho> You need to del the files so that future updates will install
08-09-99 19:21:31 <StevenL> Psycho, just use the Java uninstall object.
08-09-99 19:21:44 <Ironhead> ok dave so what is ctcp?
08-09-99 19:21:49 <psycho> Will that clean the files
08-09-99 19:22:05 <StevenL> Yes.
08-09-99 19:22:13 <StevenL> It should also clean the config.sys and the .ini's.
08-09-99 19:22:28 <psycho> deletes log* files from fp's?
08-09-99 19:22:42 <Sector> Client-To-Client-Protocal
08-09-99 19:22:45 <DaveW> cosmic transport control protocol?
08-09-99 19:23:05 <StevenL> Pyscho, what's that got to do with Java 1.0.2?
08-09-99 19:23:32 <psycho> the question was - how to commit an fp (Fixpack)
08-09-99 19:24:07 <StevenL> You can't commit the 1st FP, but you can commit the subsequent FP's.  This erases the Backups.
08-09-99 19:25:15 <Blackbird>  the question was - how to commit an fp (Fixpack) 
08-09-99 19:26:04 <lmaxson> I must have commited a fp (faux pas).
08-09-99 19:26:24 <psycho> Blackbird - in the fp readme, near the bottom, it talks about reclaiming disk space.
08-09-99 19:26:42 <lmaxson> stevenl, has given the correct response.
08-09-99 19:26:58 <Blackbird> I've read all that....it does'nt say HOW to COMMIT
08-09-99 19:27:33 <StevenL> Oh, it's there somewhere.  Just change :SERVICE to :COMMIT.
08-09-99 19:27:47 <DaveW> IBM believes you should WANT TO WORK for your upgrades
08-09-99 19:27:56 <psycho> This will commit it.  Commiting is just making it so that you can't go back.
08-09-99 19:28:07 <StevenL> If you are running SERVICE, it's on the menus.
08-09-99 19:28:17 <Blackbird> Thanks
08-09-99 19:28:43 <DaveW> anybody want to troubleshoot a sound card?
08-09-99 19:28:51 <StevenL> Who us?
08-09-99 19:28:57 <StevenL> What model?
08-09-99 19:28:57 <DaveW> whoever
08-09-99 19:29:05 <psycho> only if it is SUPPOSED to work under OS/2
08-09-99 19:29:08 <Blackbird> no...that's what got me into all my problems
08-09-99 19:29:17 <StevenL> :)
08-09-99 19:29:19 <DaveW> installed lots of cards, never a prob
08-09-99 19:29:44 <DaveW> put in a card where I had to dl drivers, I forget what.  didn't work
08-09-99 19:29:57 <DaveW> took everything out of config.sys, removed card
08-09-99 19:30:02 <psycho> What card?
08-09-99 19:30:19 <DaveW> don't remember.  must have been an ess
08-09-99 19:30:31 <StevenL> It does matter :)
08-09-99 19:30:33 <DaveW> clean config, install 8 bit sound blaster
08-09-99 19:30:43 <DaveW> it shouldn't matter after i remove it?
08-09-99 19:30:51 <StevenL> Did you clean MM2PM.INI?
08-09-99 19:31:00 <DaveW> ah.
08-09-99 19:31:15 <StevenL> Did you say it didn't matter? <g>
08-09-99 19:32:04 <DaveW> wow.  that's a pretty ugly file
08-09-99 19:32:41 <DaveW> it was interesting, I install the sb, reboot, go back to selective install, says searching for sound, finds ess again
08-09-99 19:32:57 <DaveW> so how do I clean the mmpm2.ini?
08-09-99 19:33:11 <lmaxson> Unimaint.
08-09-99 19:33:24 <StevenL> It's a text file.  Most folks uninstall MM2PM to change cards.
08-09-99 19:33:24 <StevenL> bbiab...
08-09-99 19:33:25 <psycho> or an ini editor
08-09-99 19:33:37 <lmaxson> Unimaint.
08-09-99 19:33:47 <DaveW> it's a text file
08-09-99 19:33:55 <DaveW> whats the ini editor for?
08-09-99 19:34:13 <DaveW> and how to uninstall mmpm2?
08-09-99 19:34:15 <lmaxson> For non-text files.
08-09-99 19:34:22 <DaveW> just delete and reboot and it heals itself?
08-09-99 19:34:30 <DaveW> (i hope)
08-09-99 19:34:49 <DaveW> lmaxson, that's what I thought
08-09-99 19:35:13 <lmaxson> If it is a non-text ini use Unimaint.
08-09-99 19:35:33 <lmaxson> If it is text, use your editor.
08-09-99 19:35:52 <DaveW> stevenl said "uninstall mmpm" 
08-09-99 19:36:32 <lmaxson> stevenl has been giving good advice this evening.
08-09-99 19:36:36 <lmaxson> consistently.
08-09-99 19:37:01 <DaveW> yes, we love him
08-09-99 19:37:15 <DaveW> but he leaves when I come on with a question?
08-09-99 19:37:27 <DaveW> oh well
08-09-99 19:37:37 <lmaxson> He knows to quit when he is ahead.
08-09-99 19:37:39 <DaveW> i just used selective uninstall for multimedia base
08-09-99 19:37:50 <lmaxson> Did it hurt?
08-09-99 19:38:18 <lmaxson> If I were your system, I would sue on the basis of computer abuse.
08-09-99 19:38:51 <DaveW> mmpm2 still ugly.
08-09-99 19:39:04 <lmaxson> Old and ugly.
08-09-99 19:39:13 <DaveW> i think I'll rename it and try reinstall mm, see if it builds a new one.
08-09-99 19:39:40 <lmaxson> Meanwhile the rest of us will function as a help desk.
08-09-99 19:39:56 <lmaxson> Does anyone have a question?
08-09-99 19:40:52 <lmaxson> Does anyone not have a question?
08-09-99 19:41:02 <lmaxson> Rollin?
08-09-99 19:41:05 <WarpHoss> I'm upgrading to JAVA 1.1.8 gonna break my DB2 stuff?  
08-09-99 19:41:12 <rollin> No, not at the moment :)
08-09-99 19:41:32 <WarpHoss> is that gonna break the DB2 stuff? 
08-09-99 19:41:56 <rollin> I don't see why it would.  The DB/2 java stuff is just classes in the classpath.
08-09-99 19:42:21 <psycho> You have a backup just in case, yes?
08-09-99 19:42:46 <WarpHoss> of the db2 and java directories yes. absolutely. 
08-09-99 19:42:56 *** Signoff: Sector (Changing Servers) [19:42:56]
08-09-99 19:43:07 <Ironhead> dose java 118 install mess whithnetscape?
08-09-99 19:43:23 <WarpHoss> Feature Installer. 
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08-09-99 19:43:35 <psycho> FeatureInstall is the deal now.
08-09-99 19:43:51 <WarpHoss> I hear it does... I guess I am gonna find out if 118 messes it up. 
08-09-99 19:44:30 <psycho> I think you are probably safe.
08-09-99 19:44:43 <Blackbird> What is the best way to use my cd burner to backup my system....¨
08-09-99 19:45:08 <psycho> Just make sure that you use the -di -ov switches when unzipping
08-09-99 19:45:26 <StevenL> I'm back.  For good I hope.
08-09-99 19:45:41 <Ironhead> <WarpHoss> did u try removing them from the installed features list? I just saw this. No!!!
08-09-99 19:45:45 <psycho> BB,  I zip my partitions, then burn those.
08-09-99 19:45:48 * Sector thought we covered the CDR backup question Saturday
08-09-99 19:46:09 <StevenL> Don't bring that up while BB's here.
08-09-99 19:46:16 <WarpHoss> psycho > I used javainst -d      
08-09-99 19:46:31 <DaveW> i don't think I posted saturday's logs yet.  sbt.  will do tonight
08-09-99 19:46:48 <WarpHoss> and It is taking forever ....    
08-09-99 19:46:56 <Sector> This was in the #voice channel anyway...
08-09-99 19:46:56 <psycho> Warphoss > -di -ov as per instructions
08-09-99 19:47:12 <WarpHoss> Voice log is up . 
08-09-99 19:47:29 <Blackbird> So what is a good zip util...¨
08-09-99 19:47:32 <Sector> That part though was after the log...
08-09-99 19:47:36 <DaveW> I try not to get ahead of you
08-09-99 19:47:48 <psycho> anything else will not install correctly.  It might install but you will have problems
08-09-99 19:48:05 <WarpHoss> ok I'll stop it and redo it. 
08-09-99 19:49:32 <psycho> WH - if you are doing the Swing stuff, don't use the .zip files... use the .exe files.
08-09-99 19:49:41 <Ironhead> psycho You got 118/
08-09-99 19:50:14 <DaveW> okay, i renamed mmpm2.ini, uninstalled multimedia base, installed soundblaster, creates new mmpm2.ini, nice and clean
08-09-99 19:50:34 <psycho> Part.  Can't stay connected to their server for the toolkit or Swing.
08-09-99 19:50:35 <DaveW> however, still comes up with ess card in selective install default.
08-09-99 19:50:45 <DaveW> perhaps i need to reboot?
08-09-99 19:50:54 <DaveW> didn't say to.
08-09-99 19:51:18 <StevenL> DaveW, don't forget to reinstall the latest FP after installing MM2PM.
08-09-99 19:51:39 <StevenL> Then reboot.
08-09-99 19:51:51 <DaveW> i HAD fp9.  reinstall mmpm2 trashes that, i suppose?
08-09-99 19:51:54 <Blackbird> DaveW...I tried what your are doing last wed.  still recovering from the system crash
08-09-99 19:51:56 <StevenL> Otherwise you will be using base MM2PM with FP'ed Warp.
08-09-99 19:52:18 <StevenL> DaveW, it doesn't trash it.  It just backlevels MM2PM.
08-09-99 19:52:45 <DaveW> blackbird, what kind of crash?
08-09-99 19:53:31 <DaveW> stevenl, so it should still run?
08-09-99 19:53:39 <psycho> Ironhead - tonight I can't even connect to the site at all.
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08-09-99 19:54:16 <Blackbird> system...wouldn't boot....I had tried to reinstall mm and all hell broke loose
08-09-99 19:54:41 <StevenL> DaveW, I would not guarantee it.
08-09-99 19:54:42 <psycho> ISP dropped - am I still here?
08-09-99 19:54:56 <StevenL> Yes.
08-09-99 19:55:03 <Blackbird> no(if you can read this)
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08-09-99 19:55:15 <StevenL> You really did it now.
08-09-99 19:55:42 <Blackbird> I can screw anything up...lol
08-09-99 19:56:19 <Ironhead> psycho IO got it but i had problems?
08-09-99 19:57:06 <Blackbird> BTW SteveL that SIOCADDRT error is was getting.....setup.cmd file made no difference....had to do a TCPIP configuration
08-09-99 19:57:43 <StevenL> Same thing.  I just tend to take the direct route.  You were running 4.0x?  Right?
08-09-99 19:58:46 <Blackbird> yes...haven't got 4.1 in yet....but when I tried to make the changes to the file...the same error happened at startup
08-09-99 19:59:40 <StevenL> Must have been 2 route commands there.  Unless you had a 2nd interface to nowhere configured.
08-09-99 19:59:56 <Blackbird> with config of tcpip it cahanged file and I left route in....seems ok...that's the way I'm running now
08-09-99 20:00:35 <StevenL> Interesting. I'd have to see the SETUP.CMD.
08-09-99 20:00:37 <Blackbird> that may have been it...my 2nd NIC ...
08-09-99 20:00:49 <Blackbird> not set correct
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08-09-99 20:01:29 <Sector> He's back
08-09-99 20:01:36 <DaveW> okay, I'm gonna try reboot.  If I don't make it back, somebody send me a log?
08-09-99 20:01:42 <rollin> what does netstat -r look like?
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08-09-99 20:08:18 <DaveW> ---------------
08-09-99 20:08:24 <DaveW> okay, reboot worked fine
08-09-99 20:08:42 *** The topic for #SCOUG is: Help Desk
08-09-99 20:09:10 <Blackbird> So what address should I set my second NIC too....to connect to the W98 machine..
08-09-99 20:10:25 <DaveW> drat.  still no sound.  selective install still defaults to ess card
08-09-99 20:11:28 <Blackbird> I was using 10.10.10.1(os2 NIC) and 10.10.10.2 (W98 NIC)
08-09-99 20:12:50 <Blackbird> Are all the servers down ....
08-09-99 20:12:55 <DaveW> mmpm2 is all sound blaster.  config.sys is all sound blaster.  where is selective install getting ess?
08-09-99 20:13:35 <StevenL> DaveW, ingore the Selective Install selection.  Did you install FP9?
08-09-99 20:13:52 <DaveW> wait.  I have sound.  speakers were turned off...
08-09-99 20:14:24 <Blackbird> great...
08-09-99 20:14:54 <StevenL> BB, the address is fine...
08-09-99 20:15:06 <DaveW> so, my observation is, delete mmpm2.ini, uninstall multimedia, reinstall new sound card reboot, will clear up conflict with previous sound card
08-09-99 20:15:18 <StevenL> You need to not worry if the W98 box is off and you get the message.
08-09-99 20:15:50 <StevenL> DaveW, you didn't need to do anything to MM2PM.INI, the uninstall would have done it.
08-09-99 20:16:11 <StevenL> Then there would be nothing there to conflict with :)
08-09-99 20:16:34 <DaveW> noted
08-09-99 20:16:53 <StevenL> You didn't say if you installed the FP?
08-09-99 20:16:59 <DaveW> seems like sound card install should clean up before install
08-09-99 20:17:09 <DaveW> no, i'm still on munged fp9
08-09-99 20:17:23 <DaveW> multimedia is base warp4
08-09-99 20:17:25 <StevenL> MM2PM is not.
08-09-99 20:17:45 <DaveW> i'll go ahead and up to fp11 later
08-09-99 20:17:55 <StevenL> If you want to avoid some problems.  Install FP9 again to update MM2PM.
08-09-99 20:18:27 <Blackbird> StevenL it's MMPN2 ...not MM2PM....????
08-09-99 20:18:45 <StevenL> No of us can spell :)
08-09-99 20:18:51 * Sector wonders what MMPN2 is
08-09-99 20:19:05 <Blackbird> M2
08-09-99 20:19:18 <DaveW> mmpm2.ini has sound init stuff
08-09-99 20:19:23 <Sector> A sequel to the M1 chip?
08-09-99 20:19:36 <DaveW> it's in c:\mmos2
08-09-99 20:19:54 <StevenL> Just to be consist.
08-09-99 20:20:00 <Blackbird> what is MMPN.ini for
08-09-99 20:20:20 <StevenL> Duuno.  I don't have one of those :)
08-09-99 20:21:08 <StevenL> MMPM.INI appears to have the system sounds setup and stuff like that.
08-09-99 20:21:16 <DaveW> mine installed when I installed multimedia with new sound card install
08-09-99 20:21:40 <StevenL> It's part of MMPM2, so that makes sense to me.
08-09-99 20:22:01 <StevenL> Betcha, you don't have a SBAWE32.INI.
08-09-99 20:22:42 <DaveW> no
08-09-99 20:22:42 <GOPO> is there such an animal?
08-09-99 20:22:47 * Sector has one
08-09-99 20:22:49 <Blackbird> nope... I have a CRYSTAL chip set
08-09-99 20:23:04 <StevenL> I do too.  I am not creative enough to just make this stuff up.
08-09-99 20:23:44 <Blackbird> Oh yah....tell someone who hasn't been around you 
08-09-99 20:24:56 <StevenL> Who me?
08-09-99 20:25:00 <Blackbird> I was trying to put in a CRYSTAL awe37 when all hell broke loose
08-09-99 20:25:18 <StevenL> Never did ask.  Did you have some other card installed?
08-09-99 20:25:54 <Blackbird> who you asking...
08-09-99 20:25:59 <StevenL> BB.
08-09-99 20:26:07 <Blackbird> yes...
08-09-99 20:26:29 <Blackbird> a crystal 16 bit I guess...
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08-09-99 20:27:03 <Blackbird> wanted the crystal 32 bit....bad move.....greedy
08-09-99 20:27:05 <StevenL> That probably was the start of it all.  You uninstall MMOS2 drivers, but you have to know how to check that the uninstall was successful...
08-09-99 20:27:19 <StevenL> If not, it's easier to do what we did with DaveW.
08-09-99 20:28:33 <Blackbird> yep...the reinstall of MM didn't finish properly...and that's all see wrote..
08-09-99 20:28:41 <Blackbird> she
08-09-99 20:28:52 <StevenL> Girls are like that.
08-09-99 20:29:52 <Blackbird> I'm not going to try anything by myself ever again....I'll wait until Monday nigth to ask the experts
08-09-99 20:30:14 <StevenL> Off topic:  did anyone see the copy of Colorworks that sold for almost $200 on ebay?
08-09-99 20:30:37 <StevenL> Now there's another and the price is up to $65 already.
08-09-99 20:31:10 <DaveW> is there a new colorworks?
08-09-99 20:31:12 * Sector only paid $19.95 for his copy (maybe I should have bought several copies and auctioned the rest off¨)
08-09-99 20:31:18 <Sector> Not for OS/2
08-09-99 20:31:50 <StevenL> DaveW, this is the old version2 with the big book.  Yes for OS/2.
08-09-99 20:32:21 <StevenL> Sector, which OS were they for?
08-09-99 20:32:22 <DaveW> i bought that in close out of what-was-that-local os2 store?  $50 I think
08-09-99 20:32:26 <GOPO> will the old colorworks work on warp4?
08-09-99 20:32:56 <Sector> They switched development to mickysoft windoze, I don't know where it went after that...
08-09-99 20:32:56 <StevenL> Sure, they were selling it up to about 18 months ago, or maybe less.
08-09-99 20:33:11 <DaveW> something like that
08-09-99 20:33:33 <Sector> I got mine from J3 computer technologies (which no longer exists) +$10.00 shipping
08-09-99 20:33:44 <StevenL> AFAIK, they are still out there selling the WinXX version.
08-09-99 20:34:11 <StevenL> What was the retail price?
08-09-99 20:34:14 <DaveW> yeah, I got mine at j3, too.  they were having close out sale or something
08-09-99 20:34:28 <Blackbird> Hey got that one finally....AFAIK
08-09-99 20:34:38 <StevenL> :)
08-09-99 20:34:50 <DaveW> msrp of the big book version was $150?
08-09-99 20:35:55 <DaveW> help desk topic - anybody have ideas for displaying or promoting help desk activities at Expo?
08-09-99 20:36:20 *** The topic for #SCOUG is: anybody have ideas for displaying or promoting help desk
08-09-99 20:36:21 <Sector>  activities at Expo?
08-09-99 20:36:23 <StevenL> No.  I'll be busy.
08-09-99 20:36:26 <Blackbird> BBIAB...be back in a ???
08-09-99 20:36:33 <Sector> bit
08-09-99 20:36:46 <Sector> or maybe byte...
08-09-99 20:36:53 <DaveW> stevenl, wasn't trying to "volunteer" you.  Just looking for ideas
08-09-99 20:37:11 <Blackbird> what...second not goog enough...I know I didn't make the rules...lol
08-09-99 20:37:14 <StevenL> I should be mentioned on the handout, of course.
08-09-99 20:37:43 <DaveW> i haven't seen any production of the handout yet.
08-09-99 20:37:50 <StevenL> I -> It.
08-09-99 20:37:57 <StevenL> Maybe too soon.
08-09-99 20:38:07 <DaveW> i wonder if we'll have anything displayable for warp doctor by then?
08-09-99 20:38:36 <StevenL> Hard to say.  It's really been slow.
08-09-99 20:38:51 <Blackbird> You fly me down...I'll man a booth...
08-09-99 20:39:01 <Sector> Fly yourself down
08-09-99 20:39:27 <Blackbird> You buy my gas....I'll fly myself...
08-09-99 20:39:45 <StevenL> DaveW: have we tried to take Kendall Bennett into showing up?
08-09-99 20:39:49 <WarpHoss> cant delete a directory. No files in it, an no attributes are set? any ideas? as to why?  sys0016
08-09-99 20:39:55 <DaveW> blackbird - where are you?
08-09-99 20:40:08 <StevenL> WarpHoss, what directory?
08-09-99 20:40:22 <DaveW> maybe hidden file?
08-09-99 20:40:24 *** CTCP VERSION (Ironhead)
08-09-99 20:40:27 <Blackbird> edmonton , ALBERTA
08-09-99 20:40:31 <Sector> Is it the currenty directory anywhere?  Any spaces in the directory name?
08-09-99 20:40:49 <WarpHoss> F:\java118dwld   
08-09-99 20:40:53 <DaveW> blackbird - long trip
08-09-99 20:41:11 <StevenL> WarpHoss, do a dir /a
08-09-99 20:41:20 <StevenL> Let me check that syntax...
08-09-99 20:41:39 <WarpHoss> taht's right syntax and there is nothin there. 
08-09-99 20:42:08 <Sector> dir /ah maybe?
08-09-99 20:42:22 <StevenL> Then it must be the current directory of some session.  What did you do last?
08-09-99 20:42:28 <Blackbird> Use Filestar...it get's rid of everything..
08-09-99 20:42:41 <StevenL> ZtBold here :)
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08-09-99 20:43:13 <WarpHoss> Filestar says current directory .... theres nothin usin that directory. 
08-09-99 20:43:42 <Blackbird> Here's one....when I do my xcopy refresh of C:....should I delete the old xcopy first...
08-09-99 20:43:55 <StevenL> BB, yes.
08-09-99 20:44:04 <StevenL> WarpHoss, how do you know?
08-09-99 20:44:34 <Blackbird> Tried that without Filestar installed....big mistake
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08-09-99 20:46:16 <WarpHoss> I deleted the files in that dir. 
08-09-99 20:46:42 <StevenL> Still could be current directory for whatever.  Netscape, WPS, who knows :)
08-09-99 20:47:21 <StevenL> What the last thing you used to put files into the directory?
08-09-99 20:49:23 *** CTCP PING (StevenL) (#scoug)
08-09-99 20:50:25 <WarpHoss> filestar was deleting files there. 
08-09-99 20:50:45 <StevenL> What put the files into the directory?
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08-09-99 20:51:08 <WarpHoss> Netscape did two days ago.  
08-09-99 20:51:19 <StevenL> Did you shutdown Netscape since then?
08-09-99 20:51:31 <WarpHoss> yup, have even rebooted system. 
08-09-99 20:52:18 <StevenL> Does it have subdirectories?
08-09-99 20:52:42 <WarpHoss> nope. 
08-09-99 20:53:37 <StevenL> Odd. Assuming it's not something normal, it could be marked read only.  Can you see the directory attributes?
08-09-99 20:55:36 <Blackbird> How do you put attribes on a directory....?
08-09-99 20:55:48 <StevenL> Same way as with files :)
08-09-99 20:55:48 <WarpHoss> attrib java118dwld       D     F:\java118dwld 
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08-09-99 20:56:15 <Blackbird> Sill question...
08-09-99 20:56:17 <StevenL> WarpHoss, check using the drives object.
08-09-99 20:56:18 <Blackbird> silly
08-09-99 20:59:17 <WarpHoss> hmm brb gonna reboot the other machine and this one is workin of that machines modem ... 
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08-09-99 21:01:17 <StevenL> Anybody using the new TNT drivers yet?
08-09-99 21:01:55 <Blackbird> Nope I have a G200
08-09-99 21:02:36 <StevenL> Nice card.  I've been trying to buy some on ebay.  May have to settle for new.
08-09-99 21:03:07 * Sector has a G200, Mystique, CL5422, S3 Trio 64V+, Trident 9680, Trident 8800, Trident 9000
08-09-99 21:03:21 <Blackbird> They have a sale on them on there site,,,MATROX...
08-09-99 21:03:52 <StevenL> Looking...
08-09-99 21:05:36 <StevenL> I can do better than $119 :)
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08-09-99 21:05:54 <WarpHoss> that did it .
08-09-99 21:05:59 <StevenL> Ooops.  Says out of stock.
08-09-99 21:06:10 <StevenL> WarpHoss, what was it?
08-09-99 21:07:22 <WarpHoss> had to be left over crap from previous dive when Filestar hung. 
08-09-99 21:07:35 <Blackbird> They were about $89...a couple weeks ago...special over I guess
08-09-99 21:07:46 <WarpHoss> it's gone now. 
08-09-99 21:07:53 <StevenL> BB, Apparently.
08-09-99 21:08:13 <StevenL> Good, makes sense if you had a phantom Filestar session.
08-09-99 21:08:24 <StevenL> bbiab.
08-09-99 21:08:42 <Blackbird> bbias
08-09-99 21:08:53 <Blackbird> get it correct
08-09-99 21:09:01 <WarpHoss> javainst -di -ov        \\ rite? 
08-09-99 21:09:30 <Blackbird> correct...
08-09-99 21:10:12 <WarpHoss> much faster from fullscreen session. 
08-09-99 21:11:05 <Sector> Try it from a hidden session
08-09-99 21:11:24 <WarpHoss> done. 
08-09-99 21:11:27 <Blackbird> well I have to go turn my turbo back a bit in the saab...
08-09-99 21:12:13 <Blackbird> see you wed. if tcpip4.1 installs OK
08-09-99 21:12:28 <Sector> And if it doesn't we'll see you Monday¨
08-09-99 21:12:33 <StevenL> Ok bye.
08-09-99 21:13:06 <Blackbird> bye and thanks again...soon I'll learn....
08-09-99 21:13:20 <StevenL> Good, then you can teach me.
08-09-99 21:13:32 <Blackbird> TWBTD
08-09-99 21:13:40 <Blackbird> got that one....
08-09-99 21:13:41 <StevenL> :)
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08-09-99 21:14:53 <StevenL> Now what?  Ten minutes til dinner.
08-09-99 21:14:55 <Sector> Now servering number 3
08-09-99 21:15:00 <DaveW> stevenl, I have a new "quest" for Saturday mornings
08-09-99 21:15:08 <DaveW> We started on benchmarks
08-09-99 21:15:16 <StevenL> OK.
08-09-99 21:15:31 <DaveW> lynn wanted to move it to diagnostic tools
08-09-99 21:15:45 <DaveW> I'm trying to collect and review all the diags I can find
08-09-99 21:15:57 <DaveW> I'm going to set up a diag web page this week.
08-09-99 21:16:01 <StevenL> Hardware software or both?
08-09-99 21:16:11 <DaveW> it will be linked from the chat page
08-09-99 21:16:21 <DaveW> looking at software for now
08-09-99 21:16:25 <WarpHoss> Another ?   What the hell is Feature Installer for If I have to unzip these 7 files by hand? 
08-09-99 21:16:34 <DaveW> my "quest" is to knit them together.
08-09-99 21:17:06 <StevenL> WarpHoss, unzipping is not a feature of FI.
08-09-99 21:17:25 <DaveW> found something that isn't feature installer aware?
08-09-99 21:17:32 <StevenL> DaveW, how do see this happening?
08-09-99 21:17:46 <WarpHoss> ok.  so now that I have unzipped the javainst how do I run Feature Installer? 
08-09-99 21:17:49 <StevenL> No, just complaints from the gallery...
08-09-99 21:18:04 <DaveW> i hope to convince a developer to do an app
08-09-99 21:18:44 <StevenL> WarpHoss, you don't run FI directly.  It's a NS plugin.  Just run install.exe which should be there.
08-09-99 21:18:57 <DaveW> another way would be to build a query interface on the web that would ask user questions, download an applet to probe the system, and send back info for review
08-09-99 21:19:02 <Ironhead> You would think tats all one would need to do, unzip? may be a small cmd file to up date config?
08-09-99 21:19:25 <DaveW> the result would be recommended configs at first, ultimately the app would ask permission, then go ahead and fix it
08-09-99 21:20:16 <StevenL> Fill me in.  What's javainst.exe.  Swing?
08-09-99 21:20:33 <Ironhead> ya be sure tep dir is sup of FI
08-09-99 21:20:45 <StevenL> Huh?
08-09-99 21:20:51 <Ironhead> ya be sure temp dir is sup of FI
08-09-99 21:21:10 <StevenL> That doesn't matter.
08-09-99 21:21:33 <StevenL> I've heard comments that the Swing install is odd, but haven't done it here yet.
08-09-99 21:21:47 <Ironhead> maybe it instralled for me but I had problems
08-09-99 21:21:51 <StevenL> Would someone tell me what javainst is for?
08-09-99 21:22:00 <Mok> Java package upgrade.
08-09-99 21:22:39 <StevenL> That javainuf.exe, IIRC.
08-09-99 21:23:07 <StevenL> Are we talking patches or a full install?
08-09-99 21:23:42 <StevenL> For non-unicode, it's javainrt.exe.
08-09-99 21:23:45 <Mok> Hmm.  You're right -- might be a full install.
08-09-99 21:23:51 <Mok> <nod>
08-09-99 21:23:52 <StevenL> Of what?
08-09-99 21:23:58 <WarpHoss> java118 full install 
08-09-99 21:24:20 <StevenL> Where did you get it?
08-09-99 21:24:31 <WarpHoss> ftp at boulder.. 
08-09-99 21:24:38 <StevenL> Type fast my dinners is calling...
08-09-99 21:24:46 <StevenL> How big is it?
08-09-99 21:24:47 <WarpHoss> FI reports I gotta reboot. 
08-09-99 21:24:55 <StevenL> It's working then?
08-09-99 21:25:31 <WarpHoss> 11109050  bytes 
08-09-99 21:25:48 <StevenL> That's probably just the runtime renamed.
08-09-99 21:26:40 <WarpHoss>     783032          46  firunpkg.zip      160204          46  javacomm.zip         483           0  javadownload.txt     4307821          42  javainrm.exe     7448000          42  javainsr.exe    11109050          42  javainst.exe    15273452        
08-09-99 21:26:55 <Mok> I remember seeing that filename, but damned if I can remember where.
08-09-99 21:27:16 <StevenL> That's swing and the Warp extensions...
08-09-99 21:27:21 <Mok> Oh -- would that be runtime, samples and toolkit combined?
08-09-99 21:27:26 <StevenL> You need the base 1.1.8 install first.
08-09-99 21:27:32 <WarpHoss> 15273452          42  javaintk.exe  20805936          42  javainuf.exe   1165812          46  secma.zip  
08-09-99 21:27:55 <StevenL> javainsr.exe is swing, IIRC.
08-09-99 21:28:06 <WarpHoss> those are the 7 files the readme said get. 
08-09-99 21:28:12 <Mok> Define "swing".
08-09-99 21:28:30 <StevenL> The Swing components are the "new" GUI for Java.
08-09-99 21:28:57 <WarpHoss> javacomm.zip  javainrm.exe  javainsr.exe  javainst.exe  javaintk.exe  javainuf.exe  secma.zip  
08-09-99 21:29:04 <StevenL> Ooops.  Times up.  Gotta go for now.  I check back in an hour in case anybody's still here.
08-09-99 21:29:06 <StevenL> Bye.
08-09-99 21:29:07 <WarpHoss> ^^^^^ those 7. 
08-09-99 21:29:08 <Mok> Hmmm.  I've downloaded Java 1.18 but haven't installed it yet.
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08-09-99 21:32:14 <WarpHoss> there goes there help so I guess I am gone also... gotta reboot. 
08-09-99 21:32:29 <Sector> Will you return?
08-09-99 21:32:50 <WarpHoss> Thanx folks fer your patience.... Probably... Unless you tell me not too ;-) 
08-09-99 21:33:09 * Sector wouldn't do that
08-09-99 21:33:11 <dallas> anyone here have any actual, hands on experience with the Rexx to c translation program?
08-09-99 21:33:25 <WarpHoss> hehe ;-) 
08-09-99 21:33:29 <WarpHoss> brb; 
08-09-99 21:33:30 <Ironhead> let me know if it works ill find a test
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08-09-99 21:45:59 <Ironhead> any one else have 118?
08-09-99 21:46:04 <WarpHoss> reboot successful. 
08-09-99 21:46:17 <WarpHoss> javainuf is next. 
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08-09-99 21:48:16 <Ironhead> WarpHoss when you finnish try this. http://busview.its.washington.edu
08-09-99 21:48:52 <WarpHoss> ok ...
08-09-99 21:52:09 <WarpHoss> is that a benchmark? or what? 
08-09-99 21:53:07 <Ironhead>  no its an app that may crash netscape. I used 202
08-09-99 21:53:20 <WarpHoss> hmm...
08-09-99 21:53:32 <DaveW> dallas, what rexx to c program?
08-09-99 21:53:45 <DaveW> (short answer - "no, i haven't")
08-09-99 21:54:06 <Ironhead> Subject: Re: See Java 1.1.8 Crash... Author:GORDON NILSEN <gnilsen@smartt.com> Group Group: comp.os.os2.apps Message-ID:<4pkRIGO2WdeK-pn2-dQVvMXOhnQ4o@a2a02338.smarttadsl.bconnected.net>
08-09-99 21:54:41 <Sector> (long answer - "no, I haven't but am interested in finding out about it")...
08-09-99 21:55:12 <Ironhead> just wonder if it was my set up/ Most other folks had no problems.
08-09-99 21:56:19 <DaveW> dallas good hearing from you again.  everyone - thanks for coming.
08-09-99 21:56:54 <WarpHoss> javainuf -di -ov succesfull and FI reports reboot ... brb 
08-09-99 21:57:04 <DaveW> I gotta leave.  someone email me a log if anything interesting happens?  I'll post this one tomorrow.
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08-09-99 21:57:20 <Sector> What if nothing interesting happens?
08-09-99 21:57:30 <Ironhead> goodnight dave
08-09-99 21:57:31 <dallas> I'll be seeing you guys
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08-09-99 21:58:00 *** The topic for #SCOUG is: Next Meeting Wed 7PM PDT, Internet SIG 
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