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<Sector> Bot is absent 
<Sector> SCOUG=Southern California OS/2 Users Group 
<os2lurker> Yep i know 
<os2lurker> bbiab going too bring some more people in 
<Sector> Monday night 08:00pm (PDT) help session 
<Sector> Wednesday night 08:00pm (PDT) Internet SIG meeting 
<SteveS> Correction on the times. The SCOUG chats start at 7pm PT. 
<Sector> Oops, my fault... (I really did know that, just goofed) 
<Sector> 08:00pm (PDT is the "official" ending time 
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<Be> i thought u were saying ppl r coming in? 
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<VMan> hiya 
<os2lurker> hi VMan ;) 
<Be> hi lurker 
<Be> fine! no hi to me then 
<VMan> hi Be 
<os2lurker> hi Be 
<os2lurker> lol 
<VMan> Now you cannot complain :) 
<Sector> hi Be 
<Be> hehe 
<Be> hello guys 
<VMan> What the $^#@!%#@$&^@%$ is going on with the e-zine!?  7 days 
 already!! 
<os2lurker> i don't know I have not been to ezine lattely 
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<os2lurker> hehhehe so be it ;) 
<VMan[HTML> This is a good pun 
<VMan[HTML> Need to scan? Get inSANE with OS/2!!! 
<os2lurker> hey come on Tinka get you butt in here 
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<os2lurker> err Timka 
<SOeB> hehe 
<SOeB> i just hope this dont crash. 
* SOeB playing mp3 on a alpha mp3 player 
<os2lurker> hmmm get the other ornerys to move is something 
<Sector> Try lighting a fire 
<os2lurker> hmmm that might work 
* Sector hands os2lurker a flamethrower 
<SOeB> heh 
<os2lurker> thanks be right back <evil grin> 
<SOeB> i hope u dont burn ur own # down =) 
<Sector> As long as there's a "firewall" it should be fine... 
<SOeB> lol 
<SOeB> heh, that's a good way to get ppl moving lurker 
<SOeB> rofl 
<SOeB> omg 
<SOeB> man, this pisses me off 
<Sector> What does¨ 
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<SOeB> stupid mp3 player 
<os2lurker> i think Fuzy is away and Exovede hmm he is strang 
<os2lurker> err strange 
<SOeB> where is stafff? 
<os2lurker> Longstaff is away at an IBM meeting for the next 3 days 
<SOeB> hmm.. sounds fun 
<os2lurker> hi Blackbird 
<os2lurker> i hate those snoopy #os/2 ppl on the undernet anyways 
<os2lurker> who needs em 
<SOeB> hehe 
<os2lurker> we have quality ppl here ;) 
<SOeB> can i copy and paste that? =) 
<Blackbird> hi all still watching the VOICE channel 
<os2lurker> naaahhh don't do that 
<SOeB> j/k 
<os2lurker> ok 
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<os2lurker> you get ban in there if you did, so don't take a chance  
<os2lurker> hope he don't , ive warned him hehehehhehehehe 
<os2lurker> VOICE speakup is on tommorow ? 
<os2lurker> hmmmmm 
<Sector> VOICE speakups are scheduled for Monday nights at 08:00pm 
 (EDT), when there is one (like tonight) 
<os2lurker> oic 
<Sector> And once upon a time Saturday speakups have been tried. 
<os2lurker> hmmmmm 
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<Sector> Welcome 
<Blackbird> Hi stevenl 
<StevenL> Hi. The boss told me to get my rear over here. 
<StevenL> Anyone helpless? 
<SteveS> Because the boss has to leave to a meeting this evening. 
<SteveS> Bye. 
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<os2lurker> is that voice meeting over ? 
<Sector> It's breaking up at the moment 
<Sector> (ie: There dropping like flies) 
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<Blackbird> Steve last week we talked about FI and my Java 1.1.7 
 upgrade 
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<Blackbird> Nice timing 
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<os2lurker> hi DaveWgt ;) 
<os2lurker> wb StevenL ;) 
<Blackbird> Ok now he's back 
<StevenL> I'm back. Tooo many 0's. 
<DaveWgt> good turnout on the voice speakup! 
<StevenL> Popular guest. 
<os2lurker> hmmm i wish it was going on i would been there too 
<os2lurker> oooo well my mistake 
<Sector> Hmmm, soso, had more, had less 
<StevenL> Just wish they'd stop promising 2.3 and deliver it <g>. 
<DaveWgt> Gloria and Lurker - welcome - we don't see you often 
 enough!  Blackbird, welcome back 
<Blackbird> StevenL just an update on last week...FI and java 
 problem...remember 
<StevenL> Yes. 
<os2lurker> StevenL invited me and #os/2Warp on the undernet here, i 
 funneling them in here from our channel too 
<Blackbird> Not a good idea to undelete without a reboot....locked 
 files ... 
<DaveWgt> no delii, I guess he's gone to Phoenix 
<StevenL> OK.  Did you get past that. 
<StevenL> ? 
<StevenL> What's in Phx? 
<Sector> A bird 
<Blackbird> Had to go to maint part and load old config 
<DaveWgt> I've begun trying to promote undernet and voice (and efnet 
 and dalnet) on my grand unification os2 chat page. 
<Sector> No, it's not a bird, it's a Delii 
<StevenL> Compared to a catessen? 
<DaveWgt> I think Delii has some work there, will keep him there 
 several weeks, with no isp connection 
<Blackbird> Java still came back saying it did not install 
<StevenL> Good for him.  Hope he doesn't melt. 
<DaveWgt> it's a dry heat... 
<StevenL> Let's back up a sec.  FI is OK? 
<StevenL> Riiight.  I've been there.  It's just plain hot. 
<Blackbird> Also I very frequently get a trap 000e error on 
 reboot....can take 3 trys before it will boot 
<StevenL> Trap E's are usually hardware.  Any idea which driver the 
 IPE is occuring in? 
<Blackbird> Not sure how to tell 
<Blackbird> I hope my harddrive is not going south again 
<StevenL> Let's leave that for now.  Can't work too many problems at 
 once.  Is FI OK? 
* Sector takes Blackbird's harddrive North 
<StevenL> Sector, check the cables while you are at it. 
<DaveWgt> Pull all cards you don't need, put em bck in one at a time 
<Blackbird> FI runs java install up to the very last error 
<StevenL> Check the install log.  If the failure is in the clean up 
 routine you can ignore it.  It happens on some machines. 
<StevenL> Look in \os2\install\wpinstal.log... 
<Blackbird> just about to ask... 
<StevenL> If there's a line near the end 01-20-1999   2:47:13 PM 
 **NULLID** :: Exception -1073741819 returned to instthr 
<StevenL> It's a install bug. 
<Blackbird>  **NULLID** :: Exception -1073741819 returned to 
 instthrd.c 726l 
<StevenL> There's an echo in here. 
<Blackbird> how do you know this man..... 
<StevenL> S....t happens. 
<Sector> That's funny, there's an echo in #voice as well 
<Blackbird> So it's ok 
<StevenL> Anyway.  Do a java -fullversion form the command line. 
<StevenL> What's it report>? 
<StevenL> Something like: JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.7A IBM 
 build o117-19990108 (JIT enabled: javax)" is fine. 
<Blackbird> JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.7A IBM build 
 o117-19981120 (JIT enabled: javax)" 
<Blackbird> there's thAT DARN ECHO 
<StevenL> Hee hee. 
<Sector> Nope, different version 
<StevenL> You should grab the patches and install them.  They just 
 unzip so you will not have to fix the broken Install Objects 
 that I didn't tell you about yet. 
<Blackbird> patches¨ 
<os2lurker>  so this is monday help night and weds internet sig ? 
<StevenL> Yes, they are on most any update CD (SCOUG, WarpUP etc.) 
<DaveWgt> yes 
<Sector> Correct 
<os2lurker> same time same station same duration ? 
<DaveWgt> yes 
<os2lurker> good i well put that in my dmi rexx script and post it 
 as a topic in my channel ;) 
<DaveWgt> SCOUG is near LA, so we're on pacific time,  7-8 is 
 nominal schedule 
<StevenL> Thx. 
<os2lurker> ok bb got to update my rexx script 
<os2lurker> coool 
<DaveWgt> does undernet have scheduled events? 
<os2lurker> please let ppl know too the #os/2warp on the undernet 
 exist too, i would apperciate that ;) 
<DaveWgt> I have pointer to you on my web page.  If you have 
 scheduled activities, I'll promote that on our mail list and 
 web site. 
<StevenL> I'm been complaining these should be easily discovered 
 links off the SCOUG main page.  We shall see. 
<Blackbird> I have the fall 1998 Scoug cd are the patches on it 
<Sector> Hmmm, probably not the latest ones 
<StevenL> Those are probably the same level as you already have. 
<StevenL> You can get the patches from DuaneC's WarpUP site.  Dave 
 has a URL (thanks Dave). 
<Blackbird> I have that url 
<StevenL> The latest patches are on the new SCOUG CD, but these are 
 hard to come by :). 
<Blackbird> I lied...I can't find it 
<StevenL> Hold on.  It here somewhere...  brb. 
<Sector> http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html 
<StevenL> For FTP I use: 
 ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/117/ 
<StevenL> Thx S. 
<os2lurker> DaveWgt thanks ;) 
<os2lurker> bbiab 
<Blackbird> Thx S and S 
<Sector> Hey, did somebody turn out the lights? 
<Blackbird> The latest fixes on the http page points to the ftp page 
 that has the complete runtime.exe again 
<StevenL> Hold on let me check. 
<DaveWgt> StevenL, we're starting to get some useful data 
 interspersed in our Monday Help sessions. 
<DaveWgt> Think we should start posting th elogs? 
<StevenL> If I remember to turn it on we could. 
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<DaveWgt> I didn't log this one.  Anybody has logs, mail them to me 
 (dave@scoug.com) and I'll post em 
<DaveWgt> I'll start logging. 
<StevenL> Thx. 
<DaveWgt> I'll be on the road this and next Wed, and next Monday.  
 But I'll try to attend from afar. 
<StevenL> OK. 
<SOeB> hi 
<StevenL> Blackbird, runtime.exe is just patches. 
<Blackbird> ok thx 
<DaveWgt> I gotta early airplane tomorrow, gotta go do some work.  
 See you all soon. 
<StevenL> Bye Dave. 
<DaveWgt> ciao, ya'all 
<Blackbird> nite Dave 
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<StevenL>  runtime          .exe   5,540,519 r...  5-13-99 21:27:50 
<StevenL>  toolkit          .exe   2,364,719 r...  5-13-99 20:30:14 
<StevenL>  samples          .exe   1,805,824 r...  5-13-99 20:21:06 
<StevenL>  read             .me        3,165 r...  5-13-99 19:49:40 
<StevenL>  fixes            .lst       7,901 r...  5-13-99 19:49:08 
<StevenL> The above are the patches for the latest SCOUG CD. 
<StevenL> Tiny compared to full Java. 
<StevenL> Just check hursley.  These are still the newest. 
<StevenL> Blackbird, do you know how to install these? 
<Blackbird> How do you know that one runtime.exe is patches and the 
 other is the full meal deal 
<StevenL> runtime.exe is always patches. 
<Blackbird> The full java I got from IBM was about 9meg  this file 
 is about 6meg