02-07-101 19:12:57 *** Log Activated #scoug (D:\INTERNET\GTIRC\Log\#scoug.log)
02-07-101 19:13:06 <StevenL> OK, I'm back.  What did I miss?
02-07-101 19:27:50 <dallas> I'm back too.  What did I miss?
02-07-101 19:29:53 <StevenL> Apparently no much.
02-07-101 19:30:02 <StevenL> Where have all the broken systems gone?
02-07-101 19:30:50 <dallas> donno..
02-07-101 19:33:42 <dallas> Have they identified the librarian yet?
02-07-101 19:33:42 <dallas> :-)
02-07-101 19:34:32 <StevenL> Har-har-har.
02-07-101 19:35:13 <StevenL> I got a bit tired of folks proposing stuff without volunteering to be the personpower that implements it...
02-07-101 19:35:21 <StevenL> We shall see what comes of this.
02-07-101 19:35:29 <dallas> just grabbed a new clutch of email, 
02-07-101 19:36:05 *** SteveS (schiffman@slip-32-100-155-237.ca.us.prserv.net) has joined #scoug [19:36:05]
02-07-101 19:36:39 <dallas> welcome SteveS
02-07-101 19:36:47 <SteveS> Hello Dallas.
02-07-101 19:36:54 <dallas> maybe they explain who the librarian is in this mail.
02-07-101 19:39:19 <dallas> In fact an idea for member only content to the web page - inventory of books etc. available from the club library?
02-07-101 19:39:46 <dallas> I guess this would be too critical to keep members only, 
02-07-101 19:40:03 <dallas> but I think it would be best that way, if practical.
02-07-101 19:41:24 <StevenL> Hi Steve.
02-07-101 19:41:41 <SteveS> Hello Steven.
02-07-101 19:41:55 <StevenL> I don't think much of a members only page.
02-07-101 19:45:33 *** Blackbird (poznan@h24-71-117-172.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #scoug [19:45:33]
02-07-101 19:45:42 <Blackbird> Hi there
02-07-101 19:46:17 <Blackbird> just stopped in to show I am still alive and well
02-07-101 19:46:40 <StevenL> Hi BB.  This is a good thing...
02-07-101 19:46:51 <StevenL> Could you send some heat down here.  It's in the 40's.
02-07-101 19:46:54 <Blackbird> have been playing with WsEb
02-07-101 19:47:02 <StevenL> Like it?
02-07-101 19:47:15 <Blackbird> don't have any to spare...temp has dropped here as well
02-07-101 19:47:32 <StevenL> Darn.  It was nice 2 days ago.
02-07-101 19:47:52 <Blackbird> Wseb seems ok...haven't had a lot of time to play
02-07-101 19:48:56 <Blackbird> My mom died Jan 28....I was the executor...had to pick me out of all nine of us....was a very short week last week...
02-07-101 19:49:38 <Blackbird> things are getting back in order .....
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02-07-101 19:51:04 <Blackbird> and Wseb hasn't had a complete test run yet...still lots of stuff to load up and try...
02-07-101 19:51:07 <StevenL> I'm sorry to hear that.
02-07-101 19:51:17 <StevenL> Mom's are hard to lose.
02-07-101 19:51:21 <dallas> hope you're recovering from the emotional strain OK
02-07-101 19:52:00 <Blackbird> Thanks StevenL...she was 83...it was a heart attach that took her very quickly....
02-07-101 19:52:48 <Blackbird> king of unexpected...but then no one is ever realy ready ...
02-07-101 19:53:11 <StevenL> I guess quick is better.  However, IMO, there's no good way.
02-07-101 19:54:39 <Blackbird> just wanted to let you know that I hadn't abandoned ship...I will have some input next week I hope...have some questions as to how Wseb works...lots to look at..will not have any time tonight 
02-07-101 19:55:31 <StevenL> Well, good luck with that and good luck with the executor thing...
02-07-101 19:55:44 <Blackbird> Had the warmest January on record...also the least snow
02-07-101 19:55:48 <StevenL> I don't know about Canada, but in the states, this stuff tends to drag out.
02-07-101 19:56:26 <Blackbird> It shouldn't be to difficult ...just needs to be attended to...thanks again
02-07-101 19:56:56 <Blackbird> see you next week
02-07-101 19:57:08 <Blackbird> nite all
02-07-101 19:57:11 <StevenL> Nite.
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02-07-101 20:03:41 <dallas> BB logout while I was gone?
02-07-101 20:04:06 <StevenL> Yep.
02-07-101 20:04:16 <StevenL> Probably wanted to watch West Wing.
02-07-101 20:06:13 <dallas> I'm researching other OS/2 user groups in So. CA.  *offhand* do you know any URLs for any besides SCOUG?
02-07-101 20:08:17 <StevenL> Let me check what I have...
02-07-101 20:08:19 <StevenL> brb.
02-07-101 20:10:02 <StevenL> http://www.trss.net/os2.html
02-07-101 20:10:33 <StevenL> http://home.san.rr.com/cq/sdos2ug/
02-07-101 20:13:19 <dallas> thanks....
02-07-101 20:15:26 <StevenL> http://www.vcnet.com/os2-corner
02-07-101 20:15:48 <StevenL> Fresno PC Users' Group, OS/2 SIG
02-07-101 20:15:59 <StevenL> mailto:fizimble@vnet.ibm.com
02-07-101 20:16:32 <StevenL> Let me send you a html page...
02-07-101 20:17:12 <dallas> just email it will be fine, I've got Team OS/2's CA list
02-07-101 20:17:42 <dallas> which seems to have been hacked from a cursory examination.
02-07-101 20:18:51 <dallas> I see where Mr. Skye gave a talk on his beloved Rexx in Camarillo
02-07-101 20:19:08 <StevenL> The page is coming.
02-07-101 20:19:14 <StevenL> How's that about Peter?
02-07-101 20:20:02 <dallas> he was the speaker on Rexx at the OS/2 Corner's meeting Nov. 11, 2000, on Rexx
02-07-101 20:20:12 <dallas> in Camarillo
02-07-101 20:20:32 <StevenL> That's what I thought you meant.
02-07-101 20:21:02 <dallas> at the last web site you listed here
02-07-101 20:21:29 <StevenL> Oh, I didn't go to the URL.  I was just pasting bookmarks.
02-07-101 20:22:56 <dallas> no problem, I was just checking some of them as I bookmarked them
02-07-101 20:23:43 <StevenL> Now, why didn't Peter announce this to SCOUG before he did it.  Or did he?
02-07-101 20:25:30 <dallas> I never knew about it if he did.  I can forgive if this sparked his ideas on inter-group coordination, 
02-07-101 20:25:43 <dallas> but if not, he should of
02-07-101 20:26:44 <dallas> any leads on the South Bay group?  Fred Zimble?
02-07-101 20:27:59 <dallas> FZ is listed as their contact, but no email or www is listed
02-07-101 20:29:16 <StevenL> mailto:fizimble@vnet.ibm.com
02-07-101 20:29:30 <StevenL> It's on the page I sent you.
02-07-101 20:30:04 <dallas> ok, that's fine,  
02-07-101 20:30:10 <StevenL> The address suggests he's an IBM employee.
02-07-101 20:30:42 <StevenL> Anyway.  There's tons of work for the folks that volunteer to handle the outreach program. :-)
02-07-101 20:32:12 <StevenL> Don't be too surprised if some of these are dead ends.
02-07-101 20:32:28 <dallas> no argument there.  Hate to seem like I'm just ripping off you're contact lists, but seems like I should take advantage Of Mr. KIA while I have you one line
02-07-101 20:33:07 <dallas> No problem if they are dead ends, maybe us contacting them can have some beneficial effect...
02-07-101 20:33:11 <StevenL> It's not my list. :-)
02-07-101 20:33:21 <dallas> :-)
02-07-101 20:33:38 <StevenL> It's published in the OS/2 Connect Newsletter...
02-07-101 20:33:56 <dallas> allrightee
02-07-101 20:34:22 <StevenL> You should be reading it. :-)
02-07-101 20:35:29 <dallas> no excuses to give, you caught me.
02-07-101 20:36:25 <StevenL> I was just looking at the OCIPUG home page...
02-07-101 20:36:29 <StevenL> It's pretty bad.
02-07-101 20:37:20 <StevenL> BTW, I'm waiting for a callback on CD publishing prices...
02-07-101 20:37:20 <dallas> how so?  unkept?
02-07-101 20:37:34 <StevenL> Take a look: www.ocipug.org.
02-07-101 20:37:44 <dallas> OK, with your friend or what?
02-07-101 20:39:07 <dallas> what->who
02-07-101 20:39:53 <StevenL> Yes.  I talked to John today, but he doesn't do the purchasing.  I need to talk with Brent...
02-07-101 20:40:07 <StevenL> I'll catch up with him before we need to buy anything...
02-07-101 20:40:26 <StevenL> I'm thinking more along the line of what WEW will need...
02-07-101 20:40:28 <StevenL> .
02-07-101 20:40:38 <dallas> I think there's plenty of time before SCOUG commits to getting anything purchased
02-07-101 20:41:27 <dallas> SteveS busy with anything tonight you're aware of?
02-07-101 20:42:26 <StevenL> No, unless he writing up the stuff he owes me. :-)
02-07-101 20:42:36 <StevenL> Probably studying.
02-07-101 20:45:17 <dallas> I've got the connect page on screen now.
02-07-101 20:46:28 <dallas> any idea where Ripon, CA is, out of curiosity...
02-07-101 20:49:05 <dallas> are you 'up' on HTML?
02-07-101 20:49:40 <StevenL> I can write it as well as I need to...
02-07-101 20:49:48 <StevenL> I'm hardly an expert.
02-07-101 20:49:55 <StevenL> What do you need to know?
02-07-101 20:50:05 <dallas> another quick question, probably doesn't need an expert,
02-07-101 20:50:17 <StevenL> Checking on Ripon...
02-07-101 20:50:20 <StevenL> Ask away.
02-07-101 20:50:44 <dallas> you can embedd characters in URLs ang Get/Post methods.....
02-07-101 20:51:11 <dallas> as hex numbers, escaped with a '%'  example:  '%20' for space....
02-07-101 20:51:19 <dallas> what is this called?
02-07-101 20:51:30 <dallas> ang->and
02-07-101 20:51:39 <StevenL> Ripon is NW of Salida....
02-07-101 20:51:50 <dallas> :-) where is Salida?
02-07-101 20:51:52 <StevenL> Hint maps.yahoo.com is your friend.
02-07-101 20:52:02 <dallas> OK
02-07-101 20:52:08 <StevenL> Salida is SE of Stockton.
02-07-101 20:52:54 <StevenL> I believe it's call URL quoting...
02-07-101 20:52:59 <dallas> so it's between Stockton & Salida, foughly?
02-07-101 20:53:10 <StevenL> Let me check for the proper term.
02-07-101 20:53:20 <dallas> OK, URL quoting sounds reasonable,
02-07-101 20:55:41 <StevenL> RFC2396 calls it "Escaped Encoding"
02-07-101 20:56:25 <dallas> ok that sounds even better.  
02-07-101 20:56:49 <dallas> I'm going to disconnect for a bit and come back, my LAFN hour is almost up.
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02-07-101 20:58:37 <dallas> I'm back
02-07-101 20:59:14 <StevenL> OK.
02-07-101 20:59:44 <StevenL> How come no one has any question until almost 9pm? :-)
02-07-101 21:00:14 <dallas> It takes me a while figure out what to ask.
02-07-101 21:00:34 <dallas> I usually am just rushing here from Carl Jr.'s
02-07-101 21:00:56 <dallas> and looking through my e-mail when blackbird is usually hard at it.
02-07-101 21:02:10 <StevenL> I see.  Takes a while to recover from dinner.
02-07-101 21:02:52 <dallas> that's one way to think about it.  :-)
02-07-101 21:03:47 <StevenL> Well, if I've answered all your questions, I'm going to hang with Joan.
02-07-101 21:05:11 <dallas> have a good time!  She's recovering/recovered from the operation OK?
02-07-101 21:06:19 <StevenL> Recovering is probably the best term...
02-07-101 21:06:33 *** Sector (andreww@c7T2-031.015.popsite.net) has joined #scoug [21:06:33]
02-07-101 21:06:40 <dallas> Sector?!?
02-07-101 21:06:54 <StevenL> She's been back at work for quite a while, but it's only been about 10 weeks since she got titanium plated.
02-07-101 21:06:56 <dallas> StevenL was about to check out.
02-07-101 21:07:00 <StevenL> Hi Sector.
02-07-101 21:07:12 <StevenL> Done with work, I see.
02-07-101 21:07:13 <Sector> Hello StevenL
02-07-101 21:07:20 <Sector> Hi dallas
02-07-101 21:07:28 <StevenL> You just made it...
02-07-101 21:07:28 <dallas> hello Sector.
02-07-101 21:07:29 <Sector> Yup, for tonight anyways
02-07-101 21:07:41 <StevenL> Dallas an I were getting ready to go away.
02-07-101 21:07:58 <StevenL> I notice you are having fun with the os2hardware crew...
02-07-101 21:08:27 <StevenL> I really like to lurk and read the "old wives tales" that go on.
02-07-101 21:09:15 <Sector> So we are gonna need a special OS/2 driver for hubs/switches/routers now¨  ;>
02-07-101 21:09:57 <StevenL> Yeah, right.
02-07-101 21:10:27 <StevenL> Then there's the newish Linksys router firmware that does not work with NS4.61...
02-07-101 21:10:35 <StevenL> I don't think I got to tell you about that one.
02-07-101 21:10:55 <Sector> Um, nope
02-07-101 21:12:20 <StevenL> It happened at the SCOUG meeting where Chris Chapman, of Linksys, came in to do a demo...
02-07-101 21:13:02 <StevenL> He didn't have a Warp box (another long story) so we tried to use my 770X to talk to the router...
02-07-101 21:13:18 <StevenL> It kept stalling out...
02-07-101 21:13:39 <StevenL> I posted a question to the newsgroups and someone said that happened to him with the ...
02-07-101 21:13:47 <Sector> Hmmm, should have tried WebExplorer...
02-07-101 21:14:08 <StevenL> newest firmware and that backing out to the older firmware allows NS to work again...
02-07-101 21:14:31 <StevenL> I ran an iptrace and it sure looked like the Linksys was forgetting to respond.
02-07-101 21:14:33 <Sector> Just the 4.61 effected¨
02-07-101 21:15:02 <StevenL> WebEx might have worked.  However, the Linksys does heave JavaScript.
02-07-101 21:15:06 <StevenL> So maybe not.
02-07-101 21:15:27 <Sector> Netscape 2.02¨
02-07-101 21:15:34 <StevenL> I didn't really have time during the meeting to test much...
02-07-101 21:15:56 <StevenL> I don't think I've got either WebEx or 2.02 on the 770.
02-07-101 21:16:18 <Sector> Ah well
02-07-101 21:16:19 <StevenL> I rarely have problems with 4.61, so I've never felt the need.
02-07-101 21:17:03 <StevenL> I may have Lynx installed, but I forget, not that it would do JavaScript very well eithere.
02-07-101 21:18:00 <dallas> I've sometimes found you can grab the page source and cut past the JS stuff with a little ingenuity.
02-07-101 21:19:20 <dallas> sometimes it's just gratuitous, may be an artifact of some web editing tool used to generate the page, my guess anyway.
02-07-101 21:21:52 <StevenL> No, the JS does the menu navigation....
02-07-101 21:21:56 <StevenL> This is typical.
02-07-101 21:23:20 <dallas> maybe in that case.  I've seen things where all the JS did was just append a base address domain to a directory/file, which seems gratuitous to me, maybe there was some security reason for it.
02-07-101 21:24:13 <Sector> Who ever said they needed a reason¨
02-07-101 21:25:26 <dallas> Obvously, the Web Police would! :-)
02-07-101 21:27:46 <StevenL> My take is it's a free country.
02-07-101 21:28:55 <StevenL> Now, I gotta go.  There's honey-do's pending here.
02-07-101 21:28:58 <StevenL> Nite all.
02-07-101 21:29:02 <dallas> cu SL
02-07-101 21:29:11 <Sector> So long StevenL